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Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
this really IS going to get complicated!
w o5


Well, it's would silly to play o4 unless I was specifically aiming at...

Black: n5.

I don't think I'm revealing too much if I give my response to some possible white's responses...

if (White @ n6) Black @ m5
else if (White @ m5) Black @ n6
else if (White @ p4) Black @ o3
else if (White @ 03) Black @ p4


On edge,
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Bert Bates
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ok, (complicated!)

w - o3, and b said he'd play p4

then w - m5... if b - n6, w - m6

now we're speeding along...


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Ryan McGuire
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Ok, I've got to remind myself that the cut at o4-n5 was not (necessarily) my prime objective. I'm going to have take some time and decide what the best is, which may or may not include saving n5.

Then again, I don't own the Black stones. If someone else is willing to take up the cause while I ponder the options, feel free to make a move.

(In fact, I've made moves for both virtual players now, so I'm not REALLY concerned with maintaining strict control.)
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Ryan McGuire:
Ok, I've got to remind myself that the cut at o4-n5 was not (necessarily) my prime objective. I'm going to have take some time and decide what the best is, which may or may not include saving n5.


But then again, a couple different things depend on those cutting stones having a couple liberies, so...

black n6

Bert said his response to that would be...
white m6

Darn, it's black's turn again. I'll have to think about.
Bert Bates
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wow! is it that complicated?
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
wow! is it that complicated?


1) Yes.
2) Busy.
3) I didn't want to monopolize the black stones. Nick started this game, and then Axel took up the Black battle colors. I just don't want this to turn into the Bert vs Ryan game.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure I have something here.

Black o7

After that, I think the following are obvious:

if (w - o6) b - n7
else if (w - n7) b - o6
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How the heck is everyone keeping track of the board?

Henry


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Barry Gaunt
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Originally posted by Henry Wong:
How the heck is everyone keeping track of the board?

Henry


I'm trying to workout where the white queen is...



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Bert Bates
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w - L3

- wow - all sorts of stuff happening!
Bert Bates
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Roger!!!

We need you!

We're lost without you
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teraflops of Go brain cell cycles are being spent...
Ryan McGuire
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Even if I'm experiencing analysis paralysis, the least I can do is post the current position.

[Edit]Hmmm... I seem to have gotten in rather deep. Well nothing to do now but forge ahead and hope I (or someone) can tie everything together later.

Black - K6

Moves 1-100:


Moves 101 on

Prisoners taken: White: 1, Black: 0

NOTE: I'm just going to keep updating the image that this message refers to as moves are made. That's why move 89: black @ K6 isn't the last move shown.
[ March 28, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Ryan McGuire:

Black - K6

<IMG>


Maybe editing my latest move into that previous message fooled the people who just look at the number of posts in the thread to see if anything's hapening. If that's the case, maybe this message will trip their my-turn-o-meters.

Ryan
[ March 23, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
Bert Bates
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oops! my bad -

w - m7
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
oops! my bad -


Oh on the contrary. My bad for sneaking a move into a previous message. Anyhow, we're on track now.

By the way, go read the NOTE: I just added right below the image above.

w - m7


Oof! You weren't supposed to go there. I thought my move was forcing, but I think yours is more forcing. Do I respond directly or try to find something even more forcing?

I'm going to have to consider this for a while.

(...unless someone else wants to go.)
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could be furikawari time
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
could be furikawari time


Or could be hara kiri time.

But seriously...
Yup. That was the point of move 79. I had a grand scheme, but things didn't work out as planned. But just what should I trade for what?

If I could connect 87 and 71 AND keep my corner alive, that would be nice. Can white stop me?

Or maybe I should connect 61 and 63 and use 89 to launch reducing moves into the center.

Before doing either of those, are there forcing moves (like putting 50 in atari or a hane around 68) that Black can/should make?

If I don't make one of the big moves, am I in danger of losing them BOTH?

(And of course white 10 is ripe for the pickin'.)

I JUST DON'T KNOW.
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I seem to recall about 10 posts ago saying that things were going to get really complicated
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
I seem to recall about 10 posts ago saying that things were going to get really complicated


Ayyyyyup.

Well, I think the biggest fish I have to fry right now relies on the cut at 79 and 81. Protecting against the cut between 61 and 63 right now just isn't as big (it seems to me). So...

Black: o8
[ March 27, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
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n9 - my head hurts a little
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
n9 - my head hurts a little


A little?

q9
Bert Bates
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okay - my head hurts a lot

w- p9
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Semi-obviously, p8
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p7 - ouch
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
p7 - ouch


o9 atari
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p10... hmmm...
Ryan McGuire
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
p10... hmmm...


"Hmmm???" What do you mean, "Hmmm?"

If I had ataried that same stone from the other direction, I would've gotten your stone 46 but lost everything else.

The big choice now is do I steal your eye at p6 by playing q6 and let you close me in at o10? ...or do I assume that all those white stones are dead anyway and try to do as much damage as I can with the dragon poking through at o10?

Well it's early in the morning and I'm feeling a little cocky.

o10
Bert Bates
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nothing meant by "hmmm..." other than - it's complicated!

w - p12
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Congratulations, your move put us into triple digits.

q12

I hope that at worst, my move is worthless. Please oh please don't let it be actually counterproductive.
[ March 28, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
Bert Bates
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w - o11,

just continues to be complex
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Move 101 was as big a break as I could afford to take. Now back to our regularly sceduled dragon.

b - n10
Bert Bates
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w - L 11

what fun! lots of groups without eyes
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b - m10

Let's see... before my move that group had five liberties. If you cover one up with your next move, it'll still have six. Seems like a good move to me. As that Go player of old, Patrick Henry, once said...





(Come on, say it with me.)






"Give me liberties or give me death."
[ March 29, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
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"Give me liberties or give me death."


ar, ar, ar,

w - L 10


man- you'd think that counting to 5 or 6 would be pretty easy, but my brain is still hurting
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I think white s4 group will die.
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
I think white s4 group will die.


I agree. I think the black snake has one more liberty than it needs to kill that white group. But just in case I miscounted, I'm going to start in on it now.

B - q6

Yes, this lets that white stone at n9 escape (if white thinks it worth saving). So what? Black has other tricks up his sleeve.
[ March 30, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
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white will connect for a couple of moves if that's how black plays. so:

w - p6 then

if black tries to cut at r5 or q4, white will connect at the other point

yikes!
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
white will connect for a couple of moves if that's how black plays. so:

w - p6 then

if black tries to cut at r5 or q4, white will connect at the other point

yikes!


I don't know if I would say "try" to cut since it would obviously fail. Perhaps "threaten."* But yes, that's exactly my plan.

B - q4
W - r5
B - r3

if White ataries the three black stones with either s6 or s7, Black will take the other.


(* In an Aikido setting I'd consider it an "atemi". It's a threatening move that could be bad if the other person doesn't do something to avoid it, and it's exactly that "something" that I want the other person to do. I'm not trying to pop the guy in the nose; I'm trying to get him to move his head back. I will end up giving him a good poke if he doesn't move his head, but that's not really my intention.)
[ March 30, 2006: Message edited by: Ryan McGuire ]
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white will leave a little aji on the right side...

w - k3
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B - m9 atari

Maybe I'll try throwing those three stones a rope from over here.
 
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