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Pradeep bhatt
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Joined: Feb 27, 2002
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Smart programmer use Eclipse and produces everything that real programmer can, in half the time.
How do you know this one? 
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Tim Holloway
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Joined: Jun 25, 2001
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Gee, and all those years people told me to "Get Real" 
I like Eclipse - for the most part - but I use Emacs for a lot of my work, because the computer nearest my most comfortable programming chair is only a 200MHz machine and you don't want to use Eclipse on a 200MHz machine with 100MB RAM!
Interestingly enough, I read something recently that indicated that a lot of programmers are turining away from the big, cumbersome, inflexible (and expensive) IDEs in favor of smaller systems like Emacs or vi - especially since you can plug in just what you need (Emacs' JDE, for example). Eclipse was mentioned as being in the same category, but to me it's on the boundary. It's as fat as a regular IDE, but the plugins make it identify more closely with things like Emacs.
I have been caught doing Java with NotePad on occasion... 
[ September 30, 2003: Message edited by: Tim Holloway ]
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One of the most odious afflictions that Business has inflicted on the modern English language is "pro-active". Most of the time it's simply redundantly used in place of the simple old word "active". And a good deal of the rest of the time it means "You're not overworked enough yet, so go out and find more!"
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Jeroen Wenting
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Joined: Oct 12, 2000
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hmm, Eclipse is pretty lightweight for a fullfledged environment.
Mainly because it lacks most of the graphical doodads that most IDEs want to add to woo potential customers with the demos and product brochures (and you then rarely ever use again after finding they're either too inflexible, too slow, or more frequently both)
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Ashok Mash
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat: How do you know this one?
Well, I used UltraEdit for about a year because I was so p*ssed off by Visual Age for Java and JBuilder (in '99, 2000). Later, I was pleasantly surprised to trial run IntelliJ, which really makes J2EE development easier - imagine importing a custom-bean - I have seen import statements longer than 80 characters!!!
Well, IntelliJ is not free, so I moved to Forte and now to eclipse, and they are both Okay, elipse being the better (more pluggable, lighter, faster and pleasant to look at!).
Agree with Tim there, that its totally impractical if you are developing on a low config box, but these days memory and processor power is so cheap (like couple of hundred quids), its worth investing more in hardware and save time doing what non-IDE coders would end up doing - external compilation, correcting spelling mistakes, chasing line numbers, writing getters and setters, writing test cases, syntax lookups in book/web etc!
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Jim Toy
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Joined: Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
you don't want to use Eclipse on a 200MHz machine with 100MB RAM!
It would run a lot better if you took that 36MB stick out 
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