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Wipro fires employees for faking CVs

Ganesh Prakhya
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I think as long as you work hard to complete the tasks given to you, and as long as your manager is happy with your work, firing is NOT correct.

The point is, I think somebody might have mentioned it before I guess, companies should offer the job to candidates after verifying everything. Why giving offer and then firing?

And also, what if reservations come into private sector? Companies should hire backward people with less/no knowledge of technology, which is equavalent to fakers.

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Rahul Yadav
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Originally posted by Rambo Prasad:



Rahul,
Try to refrain from cheating,but if you have no other oprion and once you decide to cheat do it perfectly such that you dont get caught...
You just cant keep thinking about ethics and let your family starve....I know people who faked ,yet they have managed to escaped wipro's verification proces...

Try to look out for some other companies prefarably small ones and keep trying for some other companies...Dont get boged down,,,

Best of luck


thanx for advice prasad .This time i have done the same .i got all the documents from a company cum training institute and concerned person told me that he ll be responsible for all the cross verification. I again got the job but this time i was careful .i got the 2 offers ..one from a big MNC on contractual basis and one permanent job from a medium size company. i preferred medium size one as i thought they do not have that much strict cross verification procedure.i hope this time i would not be mess.


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Rakesh Nadar
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Hi All,

What happen's if a company has closed down. My 1st company where I was working has closed around a year ago. How will they cross verify with this company? I have 1.6 years Experience with that company in my 4 years of experience does it become invalid?

Thanks
R Nadar
[ April 26, 2006: Message edited by: Rakesh Nadar ]
Kj Reddy
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I have 1.6 years Experience with that company in my 4 years of experience does it become invalid?
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Your 1.6 years Experience does not become invalid as it was closed, your experience is very much valid.
Amit K.K
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HI Guys,

I have interviewd many wipro guys for my earlier project as we required some outsourced enginners . I am sorry to say that Wipro fakes a lot of skill sets to beg project from clients. People who have done testing from 3-6 months in perticular domain are shown as experts with 2+ year of exp. Problem was not due to engneers as such but the resumes sent to us for screening were doctored. firining of employees for fake resumes is a hogwash to gain lost reputation in eyes of client.
Jesus Angeles
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Originally posted by Amit K.K:
HI Guys,

I have interviewd many wipro guys for my earlier project as we required some outsourced enginners . I am sorry to say that Wipro fakes a lot of skill sets to beg project from clients. People who have done testing from 3-6 months in perticular domain are shown as experts with 2+ year of exp. Problem was not due to engneers as such but the resumes sent to us for screening were doctored. firining of employees for fake resumes is a hogwash to gain lost reputation in eyes of client.


I did not quite understand what you just said. Who doctored the resume, the developer? or wipro? or both?
Karthik Guru
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Originally posted by Amit K.K:

Problem was not due to engneers as such but the resumes sent to us for screening were doctored. firining of employees for fake resumes is a hogwash to gain lost reputation in eyes of client.


uhhm interesting ...makes sense!
Amit K.K
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Well I think if a developer does that under an informal instruction from business developemnt manager or some other middle management person it amounts to organaisation doctering resume to get projects but top guys can always say that employees as individuals were doctering their resume to get through in client interview
JigaR Parekh
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Hi

Even i had seen this kind of things in small companies,
where to bag project from client companies shows more than 2 year of experiance for even freashers.
They also add some technical skills on which employee had never worked.

so from my point of view everything is ok from company and employee side if candidate is able to perform on the job.

JigaR Parekh
preethi kumar
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i got fired in IBM recently...


1 year i worked there.. then they came to know about my fake experience after 1 year... am confused...

what were they doing all 12 months?
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Maybe something else happened that caused them to re-examine? Or you did something they didn't like and they were looking for a reason?


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i got fired in IBM recently...
.. then they came to know about my fake experience after 1 year..
..what were they doing all 12 months?

You mean you are actually complaining that they took 1 year to find out you had done something illegal? WOW!

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preethi kumar
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Jeane and Manish

Dont know what happened. i was doing well @work and they had even increased my pay also just one month before firing.

dont know what happened. Maybe somebody from my friends who knew that i had put some fake experience informed the company



am very sad... i was so happy at my job
Srinivas Sridhar
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i got fired in IBM recently...


1 year i worked there.. then they came to know about my fake experience after 1 year... am confused...

what were they doing all 12 months?


And you come here in public forum, search 5 years old discusssion and make the public announcement of it 12 AM midnight? Sounds good. Time has gone that HR consultants exploited annonymous forums to spread rumors. If companies in India start firing people for fake experience, 70 to 80% people will lose jobs. These are just threatening tactics used by HR consultants.

The most fake people in Indian IT industry are HR and HR consultants. They call you from one number saying they are calling you from Company A and talk something then some other number call again and say calling from company B. These HR consultants are most fake, unethical and worst people who are major problem in indian industry. With the time people have grown up with their knowledge, not HR consultants.

Now if some recruitment company is using these threatening tactics to recruit you for company A becuase they think you will join company B , you can imagine what could be culture in company A. Don't you think these same threatening tactics will be used on a person to make him work 14/15 hours a day (also on weekends). Don't forget we are on the edge of second recession.
preethi kumar
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no i really got fired in july last week dude.

i do not know how they came to know after 1 year

i have doubt on my friends . maybe they informed the company.
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am very sad... i was so happy at my job

Sorry to hear that you lost your job, but I hope you realise that it is your own fault, because you lied about your experience.

i have doubt on my friends . maybe they informed the company.

You only have yourself to blame.


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Srinivas Sridhar
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no i really got fired in july last week dude.

i do not know how they came to know after 1 year

i have doubt on my friends . maybe they informed the company.

I don't know why companies running after me, when they know I have some fake experience.
Srinivas Sridhar
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People who get scared of such discussions, never make any progress in their career, people who do not get scared have reached a lot ahead in their career. I know several people who have some fake experience and working these companies.
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Srinivas Sridhar wrote:People who get scared of such discussions, never make any progress in their career, people who do not get scared have reached a lot ahead in their career. I know several people who have some fake experience and working these companies.

And people will *real* experience have done well in their careers too.
preethi kumar
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yes indeed Jeanne..


i too had 90% real experience .. but added 10% fake experience since i had a gap in my career during 2008 recession.

so paid the price now by getting fired...
Srinivas Sridhar
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
Srinivas Sridhar wrote:People who get scared of such discussions, never make any progress in their career, people who do not get scared have reached a lot ahead in their career. I know several people who have some fake experience and working these companies.

And people will *real* experience have done well in their careers too.

Did I say people with real experience did not do well? People with real experience are out of context of what I said.
Srinivas Sridhar
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preethi kumar wrote:yes indeed Jeanne..


i too had 90% real experience .. but added 10% fake experience since i had a gap in my career during 2008 recession.

so paid the price now by getting fired...


Most important is you come here in public forum, search 5 years old discusssion and make the public announcement of it at 12 AM midnight. That tells it all. I am not encouraging people to add fake experience. What I am upset about is when it comes to ethics, it is candidates and HR consultants can do anything. Since it is public forum I can not write everything.

And the bottom line is which always worked "It is not if you have some fake experience or real experience. What is important is can you out perfom for which you have hired." That matters in most of the companies including the company which you mentioned. I personally know one person who was fired from service company and joined the company which you mentioned and working there from 7 years, doing very well.

chris webster
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preethi kumar wrote:Jeane and Manish

Dont know what happened. i was doing well @work and they had even increased my pay also just one month before firing.

dont know what happened. Maybe somebody from my friends who knew that i had put some fake experience informed the company



am very sad... i was so happy at my job


You lied to get a job, but your employer discovered your lies, and they fired you. Good, because there are plenty of people out there who can do your job without having to lie about their experience, and employers might feel happier about trusting somebody who didn't lie to get into the company in the first place (especially if they might be dealing with confidential information). Maybe next time you will also rely on your real skills and experience to get a job.

I know everybody tries to make their CV look good, but that is different from telling lies about your skills/experience. Indeed, here in the UK you can go to jail for lying on your CV.

But if this kind of thing is more common in your country, maybe they should introduce the same rules where you are. Or would that be too much of a problem for your local outsourcing industry?


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Srinivas Sridhar wrote:People who get scared of such discussions, never make any progress in their career, people who do not get scared have reached a lot ahead in their career. I know several people who have some fake experience and working these companies.


I have seen plenty of great-looking CVs - especially from offshore staff - who clearly think by talking big they can get a "big" job. But when you interview them - or if they somehow manage to get past the selection process into your organisation - you often find they don't know half the things they claim to know, and they are often pretty poor at the other half.

This has become a real problem in the last 10 years, as the market has become increasingly swamped with CVs from liars, so it becomes harder for recruiters to identify the people who really do have the skills/experience to do a particular job. Many organisations fail to filter out the crud CVs adequately (or are restricted by having to work via consultancy agreements that do not provide any decent candidates anyway) so they end up recruiting liars. This costs money in wasted recruitment effort, poor performance, or replacement costs for useless staff, and also contributes to pushing honest skilled workers out of the job market.

There is a lot of talk in the IT industry about the "skills shortage", but there is no shortage of liars in any industry. If people think they have the skills and experience to get a job, let them compete for it on the basis of their real skills/experience and may the best candidate win. But if they want a "career" as a liar, I suggest they stick to marketing or politics and leave the serious work to people who know what they are doing.

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If you obtain your job by committing fraud, you should expect to be punished at some point.


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Campbell Ritchie
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chris webster wrote: . . . here in the UK you can go to jail for lying on your CV. . . .
Well, it said she also forged references; maybe the gaol sentence was for that.

But I agree; the previous poster should consider themselves lucky not to have been forced to repay salary or something like that. As well as lying on your CV, it would count as obtaining money by deception in Britain, too. Another imprisonable offence. And it would be possible to sue for reimbursement of that salary.
preethi kumar
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Anyways.. not a big deal.

i am talented enough to get 10 better jobs.

last time i used a bit of fake experience to cover up my gap i had in 2008 during recession . if i had mentioned that gap at that point of time .recruiters were not even ready to call me for a interview . so because of my economic condition i had to mention some fake experience in between.
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preethi kumar wrote:i am talented enough to get 10 better jobs.

So if you're so smart, why did you have to lie in the first place?
Srinivas Sridhar
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chris webster wrote:
I have seen plenty of great-looking CVs - especially from offshore staff - who clearly think by talking big they can get a "big" job. ..............
This has become a real problem in the last 10 years, as the market has become increasingly swamped with CVs from liars, so it becomes harder for recruiters to identify the people who really do have the skills/experience to do a particular job. Many organisations fail to filter out the crud CVs adequately (or are restricted by having to work via consultancy agreements that do not provide any decent candidates anyway) so they end up recruiting liars. This costs money in wasted recruitment effort, poor performance, or replacement costs for useless staff, and also contributes to pushing honest skilled workers out of the job market.

There is a lot of talk in the IT industry about the "skills shortage", but there is no shortage of liars in any industry. If people think they have the skills and experience to get a job, let them compete for it on the basis of their real skills/experience and may the best candidate win. But if they want a "career" as a liar, I suggest they stick to marketing or politics and leave the serious work to people who know what they are doing.



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preethi kumar wrote:Anyways.. not a big deal.

i am talented enough to get 10 better jobs.

last time i used a bit of fake experience to cover up my gap i had in 2008 during recession . if i had mentioned that gap at that point of time .recruiters were not even ready to call me for a interview . so because of my economic condition i had to mention some fake experience in between.


Sounds like you are fine with it. You took the chance, you got caught, and it's fine.

This doesn't seem much of a learning experience, as it sounds like you would have no problems doing it again.

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Srinivas Sridhar wrote:
Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
Srinivas Sridhar wrote:People who get scared of such discussions, never make any progress in their career, people who do not get scared have reached a lot ahead in their career. I know several people who have some fake experience and working these companies.

And people will *real* experience have done well in their careers too.

Did I say people with real experience did not do well? People with real experience are out of context of what I said.

Agreed. I probably should have added a smilie to my post.
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Dear Preethi,

Well, you faked your cv, you got fired. Please keep this kind of things within yourself. This is an international forum, I felt bad when someone
asked whether "faking" is common practise in our country (India)? I felt shame of this. NO! Its not common practise in India. Just because of
some bad fruits, whole basket of good fruits are being insulted! How unfortunate?

Losing job is not a big thing in life, you can get other jobs. However, the kind of impression people get is, if anyone sees this post, next time
when they are considering any Indian's resume, they will think its "fake".

And yes, big companies also fake their financial figures, functionalities, features to get the projects. Faking happens at all levels, unfortunately,
only employees get caught.

Please please keep this kind of personnel things to you, and I request you not to post them on international fourms. As this gives bad impression
on our Indians, who are really hardworking, dedicated, good communicators and talented.

Nothing personnel and good luck in your furture.


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Sai Surya wrote:And yes, big companies also fake their financial figures, functionalities, features to get the projects. Faking happens at all levels, unfortunately,
only employees get caught.

A very quick search in Google finds many examples where the opposite is true:
  • J.P. Morgan's London unit gets $49 million fine
  • Former US President Bill Clinton was impeached and was fined for contempt of court
  • Comverse CEO, two others resign amid options probe
  • Stephen Glass was fired from his job as a reporter

  • Wrong is wrong. And it doesn't matter whether you are a student, an employee, a CEO, the President of the United States of America, or a corporation. It is still wrong.

    Pretending problems don't exist does not help, and can actually make matters worse. Reporting that there are consequences (up to and including jail time) for lying helps make the world a better place.


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    Andrew Monkhouse wrote:
  • Former US President Bill Clinton was ...fined for contempt of court

  • Politicians!
    The article doesn't mention (or I didn't understand), who paid the fine.
    Recently, one of the ex chief ministers of Maharashtra was fined by the supreme court, and guess who picked the tab!!!
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    preethi kumar wrote:Anyways.. not a big deal.

    i am talented enough to get 10 better jobs.

    last time i used a bit of fake experience to cover up my gap i had in 2008 during recession . if i had mentioned that gap at that point of time .recruiters were not even ready to call me for a interview . so because of my economic condition i had to mention some fake experience in between.



    Sounds like you are fine with it. You took the chance, you got caught, and it's fine.

    This doesn't seem much of a learning experience, as it sounds like you would have no problems doing it again.


    Dear Henry,

    I will be applying with only real experience from now on.


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    This whole thread disappoints me. There are no words to describe it really. That folks can come here and openly suggest, encourage cheating without a modicum of shame is beyond me.

    People who get scared of such discussions, never make any progress in their career, people who do not get scared have reached a lot ahead in their career. I know several people who have some fake experience and working these companies.


    Jeanne's comment was made because the sentence above suggests folks with fake experience should not be scared to add it to their resume. Of course now we know you meant the opposite.

    And the bottom line is which always worked "It is not if you have some fake experience or real experience. What is important is can you out perfom for which you have hired."


    How can that possibly be ? A person is hired to fill a void in skill. The skill is acquired over several years of experience. If you lie about experience and get a job; better pay; perks and design a solution that does not scale and leave the company later, it would mean you still did your job but you were bad at it. The real bottom line is - 'Do not lie in your resume and fake anything'.


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    Besides what Sai Surya writes above about giving your fellow Indians a bad reputation, it is not smart for you personally to announce in public that you faked your CV.

    Suppose that you are applying for a new job somewhere, and the company you want to work with decides to do some research by Googling your name. They might find posts like these and find out that you got fired for faking experience on your CV. They will then not hire you, because it gives the impression that you are untrustworthy. I certainly wouldn't want to hire anyone who lied to get a job.
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    Please moderator can you delete this topic. i wont fake anything in my CV anymore. but i do not want to create any bad reputation about myself
     
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