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Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:


Because Rajiv was doing Java/Oracle ceritifications and was thinking of going somewhere else for work? But then, he got employed as PM and they thought, Okay, why not stay then!


Rajiv does not have the smarts to do any of the above mentioned certifications. He could not complete his bachelors degree. He was busy doing Sonia in London.


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sunitha reghu
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Rajiv was also very busy with book promotions and asking questions to authors.

Anyway coming to the point, when Rajiv was alive she didnt think about that.
Because Rajiv was there for here. No need to take care about those stuff. After that as she felt insecure. A woman becomes totally insecure no matter whether indian or italian after husbands death.
Avi Nash
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Originally posted by Mohan Panigrahi:
She is given welcome with open arms, ...


Does that mean moghuls and Britishers never invaded/ruled india!!!
Paul McKenna
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Originally posted by Mohan Panigrahi:
Does the thought every cross your mind that she will break the faith and plunder the riches to pour over her relatives? Do you feel justified to ask her never to nourish the relationships with her kith and kin of the place she was born?

Arent there allegations about her doing this already? Wasnt she the one who introduced the Quattorochi's during the Bofors scandal?


This lady has lived in this country for last 35 years, she has her children who have had no other identity than being indians, her husband has lived and died in this country ( I did not use for, just said [I}in{/I] ) will she desert all this? You can have as much faith on her as you can have faith on the inherent human integrity.


Robert Clive, the then Viceroy of India, was bought up in Madras, he married his bride in Madras and lived in Madras for quite a while even after completing his term as Viceroy. Should we consider him too as one of our greatest leaders?


I would think that those nations are far greater at risk of loosing out to the world, whose premiers have qualified themselves as promiscuous dawdlers, money launderers and still allowed to be in office. They have been far greater at risk in placing their faith in those who erred than we placing our faith in those who could err.


I dont necessarily disagree with what you have said above. But we must find amongst ourselves one such leader who exemplifies all that is good. If we are going to depend on foreign leaders to perpetually show us the way what use are we as people?


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Pradeep bhatt
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Does that mean moghuls and Britishers never invaded/ruled india!!!


Yes did. Indians also have an Italian PM.


Groovy
sunitha reghu
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If my family were Multimillionaires I would never spend time and money on certifications.




Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:


Rajiv does not have the smarts to do any of the above mentioned certifications. He could not complete his bachelors degree. He was busy doing Sonia in London.
Pradeep bhatt
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Rajiv was also very busy with book promotions and asking questions to authors.


It was not a book promotion but a prime minister promotion.
Pradeep bhatt
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He was busy doing Sonia in London

What was he doing?
R K Singh
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:

What was he doing?


what you can only dream


"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by R K Singh:


what you can only dream


hehe. What kind of dreams you get R k singh?
Pradeep bhatt
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He could not complete his bachelors degree

Even Priyanka did not, but she claims that she did but we know the truth. Why should they study, Indians will elect them as PM.

Today we have Italian PM, in future we will have Colombian PM.Wow! Indians are very generous. I am really proud.
Pradeep bhatt
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Anyway coming to the point, when Rajiv was alive she didnt think about that.
Because Rajiv was there for here. No need to take care about those stuff. After that as she felt insecure. A woman becomes totally insecure no matter whether indian or italian after husbands death.


She become Indian citizen when Rajiv became PM, and he was alive at that time.
Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by sunitha raghu:
A woman becomes totally insecure no matter whether indian or italian after husbands death.


How do you know? Have any first hand experiences???
[ May 14, 2004: Message edited by: Kishore Dandu ]
Warren Dew
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Ashok Mash:

Well, yes, we will have to live with Westerners ridiculing us for the �dynasty rule�, even if we know it was a pure and fare democratic exercise.

No ridicule here - I live in a state with a Kennedy as senator, in a district that had a Kennedy as representative until he decided to run for a bigger post. I think I'd rather have Gandhis.

Is Sonia already Prime Minister, or is it just that people are expecting her to be? Doesn't the Congress party have to make a deal with at least one other party to get a majority?
Ranga Sreenivasan
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* I can't digest the fact that a person just by virtue of being a wife of someone from the power-crazy "Nehru" family is bound to become the PM.
* The foreign-origin issue aside, what has she achevied in her public life? Why don't we compare her achievements with that of another "Gandhi" widow (Maneka Gandhi)?
* Rahul Gandhi is an MP now. What has HE done to become an MP (other than be a member of the "Gandhi" family)?
* Don't give me CR**** like this is a democratic election and the Indian voter is a mature enough to choose the right candidate. Of the 55% who voted, how many are literates? How many actually know that "Rahul Gandhi is not the Mahatma's grandson"? Don't turn this into a literate vs non-literate discussion. I'm not saying that a literate always makes a sane decision. But the probability of a literate person evaluating the issues and then voting is a lot more compared to this blind faith in the "Gandhi" family.
* And I sure am enraged by the fact that the other 45% of the eligible voters didn't cast their vote. Such a shame to let ANYBODY become the PM.
Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Ranga Sreenivasan:

* And I sure am enraged by the fact that the other 45% of the eligible voters didn't cast their vote. Such a shame to let ANYBODY become the PM.


Blah!!!

US has less voting percentage than India. How about that. Does that make it less democratic or less mature a democracy.
Murasoli Maran
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Originally posted by Ranga Sreenivasan:
* I can't digest the fact that a person just by virtue of being a wife of someone from the power-crazy "Nehru" family is bound to become the PM.
* The foreign-origin issue aside, what has she achevied in her public life? Why don't we compare her achievements with that of another "Gandhi" widow (Maneka Gandhi)?
* Rahul Gandhi is an MP now. What has HE done to become an MP (other than be a member of the "Gandhi" family)?
* Don't give me CR**** like this is a democratic election and the Indian voter is a mature enough to choose the right candidate. Of the 55% who voted, how many are literates? How many actually know that "Rahul Gandhi is not the Mahatma's grandson"? Don't turn this into a literate vs non-literate discussion. I'm not saying that a literate always makes a sane decision. But the probability of a literate person evaluating the issues and then voting is a lot more compared to this blind faith in the "Gandhi" family.
* And I sure am enraged by the fact that the other 45% of the eligible voters didn't cast their vote. Such a shame to let ANYBODY become the PM.


It's the people given mandate to her now.And why they given vote?.It's the mandate to survive humanity in the nation.otherwise india will become a compleate animal country by sangh parivar rule.people become divided by caste and religeon.Indian people fed up with burning people alive and communalisation and riots and violations.dont forget how BJP come into power,and what tactics they made instead of burning people innocent people and injecting communalism in peoples minds.they come to power by following the principle of divide and rule.and they divided peoples minds and killed thousands of innocents just for power.

And Sonia is way ahead than split minded vajpai.And Rahul is also way ahead than vajpai.becoz rahul never teached to kill others for power and show a split charector to the people.And now the election is over and these people may be making more knifes and bombs and more material to inject to minds to get power.and now indian people understood this deception and i am quite sure that in congress will win with 400+ seats majority iin coming elections.

It's the end of a dark age.
Ranga Sreenivasan
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:

Blah!!!
US has less voting percentage than India. How about that. Does that make it less democratic or less mature a democracy.


Am I supposed to rejoice over the fact that the voting percentage in India is more than that of the US...You can't compare the demographic of the US with that of India. :roll:
Why do we have to compare our voting percentage with that of any other country???
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Voting percentage, like literacy rate, can be a useful measure of voter access or interest in choosing their leadership. In the US, the "turnout," as we call it informally, is most often taken as a sign of voter apathy or interest.

And it's an important number indeed, in any election. Low turnouts in US elections generally favor conservative platforms. How turnout plays in an Indian election may be quite different, but regardless of who benefits, it's a good general sign of the public's belief that their vote can make a difference.


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Mohan Panigrahi
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Originally posted by : Ranga Sreenivasan
* I can't digest the fact that a person just by virtue of being a wife of someone from the power-crazy "Nehru" family is bound to become the PM.
* The foreign-origin issue aside, what has she achieved in her public life? Why don't we compare her achievements with that of another "Gandhi" widow (Maneka Gandhi)?
* Rahul Gandhi is an MP now. What has HE done to become an MP (other than be a member of the "Gandhi" family)?
* Don't give me CR**** like this is a democratic election and the Indian voter is a mature enough to choose the right candidate. Of the 55% who voted, how many are literates? How many actually know that "Rahul Gandhi is not the Mahatma's grandson"? Don't turn this into a literate vs non-literate discussion. I'm not saying that a literate always makes a sane decision. But the probability of a literate person evaluating the issues and then voting is a lot more compared to this blind faith in the "Gandhi" family.
* And I sure am enraged by the fact that the other 45% of the eligible voters didn't cast their vote. Such a shame to let ANYBODY become the PM.



Yes Ranga, it indeed is a day of shame. An Italian has become the prime minister, rahul is a looser and still the electorate elected him, most of rural masses are too foolish to reject blind faith in Gandhis, and 45 % voters plunged the country into mire, by choosing to sleep at home during voting time.

It is indeed shameful not for thousands of rural/uneducated poor, but for us. What did we do for them, apart from arm-chair philosophizing. When did we last think of telling them the importance of making a right decision for themselves and their country?

The middle class, the city folks, the incumbent government all were busy enjoying the green dollar revolution. And they, the poor and wretched were struggling to get water for their farms and meals for their family. In spite of their poverty, their illiteracy, their blockheadedness, they were intelligent to come to voting booth and demand to fulfill their abject necessities.

The debacle that you see, more than anything else reflects the loud cries of rural poor- WE WANT, WE WANT, WE WANT meals,clothing,shelter. Needless to say, they were right in demanding that.
Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Ranga Sreenivasan:


Am I supposed to rejoice over the fact that the voting percentage in India is more than that of the US...You can't compare the demographic of the US with that of India. :roll:
Why do we have to compare our voting percentage with that of any other country???


I was answering the post. Can't you see.
Pradeep bhatt
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GUYS,

Good news is Sonia to be PM.

I am ashamed to be an Indian.


India may have a new constitution , where only foreign born people will hold high posts. Today we have an Italian PM, tomorrow a Colombian PM .....
Indian citizens cannot become prime minister/president.

Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Kishore Dandu:


I was answering the post. Can't you see.


Pradeep bhatt
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i am quite sure that in congress will win with 400+ seats majority iin coming elections.

400 seats.
sunitha reghu
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YES...You should be ashamed to be indian. why? not because of Sonia became PM or going to be PM.

But because:

1.India has the world largest population of child labor.

Last year so many street kids in Delhi died during winter coz of cold. BJP didnt do anything to protect those kids. I am not saying congress going to do. Only one person cared for the poor in India and that person is Mother Threasa. And she is not an Indian and no one didnt say she shouldnt stay in India.
2.There are 4.58 million people living with HIV/AIDS in India, says the National AIDS Control Organization (NACO). That�s 0.8 percent of the country�s population, roughly one infected person in a group of 100.
out of every three HIV-positive people, one is a woman.
These are not sex workers but married monogamous women, who barely speak to a man other than their husband.


Instead of worrying abt stock prices and congress worry about these and donate some money to them.


Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
GUYS,

Good news is Sonia to be PM.

I am ashamed to be an Indian.


India may have a new constitution , where only foreign born people will hold high posts. Today we have an Italian PM, tomorrow a Colombian PM .....
Indian citizens cannot become prime minister/president.

sunitha reghu
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RS: I can't digest the fact that a person just by virtue of being a wife of someone from the power-crazy "Nehru" family is bound to become the PM.

Drink plenty of water.

RS:* The foreign-origin issue aside, what has she achevied in her public life? Why don't we compare her achievements with that of another "Gandhi" widow (Maneka Gandhi)?



Achievements of Maneka Gandhi??? . She was a third rate model before getting married. Indira Gandhi finally expelled her from their house why? Why she didn�t kicked Sonia out.

. Menaka has no shame to join BJP. The irony is that Sanjay Gandhi was the most hated person by BJP in view of the involvement in all atrocities and even the role played by him in imposing emergency. This indicates BJPs bankruptcy. Then after all this why she joined BJP Why? just for her personal achievements.

check thisweb page




Last time these non literates last time voted for BJP and nothing happened. During campaign time bjp donated some �sarees� to these poor. So this time they voted for congress. If they congress didn�t do anything then next time they will vote for bjp again.




Originally posted by Ranga Sreenivasan:
* I can't digest the fact that a person just by virtue of being a wife of someone from the power-crazy "Nehru" family is bound to become the PM.
* The foreign-origin issue aside, what has she achevied in her public life? Why don't we compare her achievements with that of another "Gandhi" widow (Maneka Gandhi)?
* Rahul Gandhi is an MP now. What has HE done to become an MP (other than be a member of the "Gandhi" family)?
* Don't give me CR**** like this is a democratic election and the Indian voter is a mature enough to choose the right candidate. Of the 55% who voted, how many are literates? How many actually know that "Rahul Gandhi is not the Mahatma's grandson"? Don't turn this into a literate vs non-literate discussion. I'm not saying that a literate always makes a sane decision. But the probability of a literate person evaluating the issues and then voting is a lot more compared to this blind faith in the "Gandhi" family.
* And I sure am enraged by the fact that the other 45% of the eligible voters didn't cast their vote. Such a shame to let ANYBODY become the PM.

[ May 15, 2004: Message edited by: sunitha raghu ]
Pradeep bhatt
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Instead of worrying abt stock prices and congress worry about these and donate some money to them.



I am not rich guy to donate and I have already mentioned that in my previous posting. Why dont you donate ?

Please dont talk about donation , it is not related to the thread.
[ May 15, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]
Nick George
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Originally posted by Paul McKenna:


The British were bloody efficient. By some estimates, 75% of the railway tracks in use in India today were laid during the Raj. Shall we invite them back?


We should not reinstate the Raj. This would strip India of it's national sovereingty. However, this is completely irrelevent, because (as far as I can tell) no one is suggesting a foreigner coming to a democratic nation and assuming autocratic control. An Englishman being democratically elected by the Indian people to the office of PM has nothing to do with an Englishman being appointed to dictator by Parliament, as a conquering nation to a conquered nation. Surely you can see this.


I've heard it takes forever to grow a woman from the ground
sunitha reghu
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Then how come you invested in stock?
Why cant i donate? yes i always donate to the needy and i dont haev any stocks.
sunitha reghu
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[url=http://www.expressindia.com/election/fullestory.php?type=ei&content_id=31458&headline=Did~somebody~say~'foreign~origins'?]Did someone say foreign[/url]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
GUYS,

Good news is Sonia to be PM.

I am ashamed to be an Indian.


India may have a new constitution , where only foreign born people will hold high posts. Today we have an Italian PM, tomorrow a Colombian PM .....
Indian citizens cannot become prime minister/president.

Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by sunitha raghu:
Then how come you invested in stock?
Why cant i donate? yes i always donate to the needy and i dont haev any stocks.


I can think how much you earn in USA, my salary would be about 1/12 th of yours. I am investing in stocks for so that I buy a house, bike, mobile. I dont have any of them.

Could you please list down the things that you have?

I am investing in Indian stocks and not US so the amount involved is much less but it is a big amount for me.
One can donate where one has enough and I dont have.

Dont compare dollars with Indian rupee.

If you dont like my opinion on congress, why are saying that I should stop worrying about congress.


Doesn't make sense.

[ May 15, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]
Pradeep bhatt
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Drink plenty of water.

Pradeep bhatt
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Last time these non literates last time voted for BJP and nothing happened


They have voted for congress for 50 years , what has happened?
They suddenly became poor during BJP's regime.
Pradeep bhatt
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Last year so many street kids in Delhi died during winter coz of cold


Did you forget that Congress is in power in Delhi assembly.
Arjun Shastry
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Almost 2 years back there was an article in Time by Alex Perry that Vajpayee needed rest as he is half dead.There was a discussion also here in Javaranch.People listened to Perry and gave rest to Vajpayee.
Above information was obtained by Perry from BJP's people only and not from Sonia Gandhi.After this article was published,Perry's house was raided by intelligence officials and was harrassed at airports for some weird reasons.
There were many scandals during Vajpayee's tenure.Some of them were Defence scam where deal of money and women was involved.All this was going in the name of national security.
Those who know Italian:
Sonia Gandhi
People in Sonia Gandhi's town in Italy will be celebrating as most possibly will be chosen as next Prime Minister.


MH
Arjun Shastry
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Sameer Jamal's dream is now partially fulfilled!!Communist Party of India(M) and CPI and other Lefts have decided to give support to Congress(i).HKS Surjit and Sitaram Yechuri are again at forefront .CPI(m) and CPI won 45 seats,not that bad score.
Murasoli Maran
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Who said Sonia as foreign?.she is an indian citizen and living in india more than 35 years.Saying Sonia as nonindian is greed and wildness.

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
GUYS,

Good news is Sonia to be PM.

I am ashamed to be an Indian.


I am ashamed to be an indian becoz of these kind of people.
Murasoli Maran
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Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
He could not complete his bachelors degree

Even Priyanka did not, but she claims that she did but we know the truth. Why should they study, Indians will elect them as PM.



What is this so called education?.and why education?.Education is somewhere beyond certificates.try to obtain that.It's not just cleverness to earn more money.And these narrowminded people who have more money is another danger of the nation.
Kishore Dandu
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Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:


What is this so called education?.and why education?.Education is somewhere beyond certificates.try to obtain that.It's not just cleverness to earn more money.And these narrowminded people who have more money is another danger of the nation.


Education gives respect(irrespective of your monetary worth).

If some one has $100mil. and starts talking rubbish, I will give him mouthful. After taking slot in Harvard, not completing a degree is real bad and that sure changes my views about Rahul Gandhi(He sure did some one else's chance to represent Harvard ruined).

BTW the way he interacts with people kind of does not give good impressions aswell(I met him once personally, and he does not have a whole of lot of range to talk about stuff and has very less energy). I hope god will help him survive the Indian politics.
Pradeep bhatt
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What is this so called education?.and why education?.


Yes, I agree. It is absolutely useless. Lot of Indians are illetrates, I ask them not be literates. Thanks Murasoli Maran .

BTW, You remind me of Murasoli Maran , DMK politician .
 
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