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FREE Certification Beta: Sun Certified Specialist Netbeans IDE

Vyas Sanzgiri
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Thanks everyone for posting. Since this is a new exam and there are less references available please keep posting so that we have an idea of the syllabus.

Thanks again and all the best to all the exam takers!


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Unnikrishnan Nair
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I did the exam today.

As many mentioned the exam was ok kind of one, since I dont have any previous experiences on NetBeans before. There were 161 questions and time was ok. I finished in time. But need to wait for 6-8 weeks before getting the results.


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Christophe Verré
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I dont have any previous experiences on NetBeans

If you pass, then this certification will clearly have no value


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Vyas Sanzgiri
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If you pass, then this certification will clearly have no value


I think it is the first step. Good start
Tridib Samanta
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If you pass, then this certification will clearly have no value


I think it's good to start with certification. It makes you comfortable with the technology before you use it. You can get most out of the technology. Getting experience and then doing the certification may enhance your professional demand but, don't help you in real life programming.


Thanks, Tridib
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Christophe Verré
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Unnikrishnan Nair says that he has no experience on Netbeans. What I mean is that if somebody who has never used Netbeans can pass, what value would such a certification have ?
jeremias lacanienta
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Originally posted by Christophe Verre:
Unnikrishnan Nair says that he has no experience on Netbeans. What I mean is that if somebody who has never used Netbeans can pass, what value would such a certification have ?


the value of all certifications (not only netbeans) have been discussed countless times without arriving at a definite conclusion because it's pretty much subjective. as demonstrated by yours and Tridib's posts. i suggest cutting these kinds of discussions from here and let others talk about the beta, early taker's experiences, etc.


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Christophe Verré
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I misinterpreted the post, thinking that the poster never ever used Netbeans, even before taking the test. I realized that he must have used it to study each topics.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, I agree to stop here and leave this thread to discussion on the beta.
[ October 20, 2008: Message edited by: Christophe Verre ]
Anup Francis
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Hi ranchers,

Took the test this morning.
Man, these beta tests make me sick.
3 hrs is a very long time for a test. I got tired reading the questions after a while. As far as the questions asked, I didn't think it was very hard.
It's just that you need to know most of the topics reasonably well.
As I mentioned in my previous post on this topic, the only thing that one needs to study for the test is the IDE help section. It is pretty comprehensive and covers everything. (The only issue is it's pretty boring to read that stuff especially profiling, debugging etc)
I hadn't studied much for this test (perhaps becoz its free I didn't
have the motivation to study hard) and that showed in the test.
Lots of specific questions for which you either know the answer or you don't.
Lots of questions on debugging and web apps like JSF.
Also, lots of questions on free form projects.
Concentrate on section 6 of the objectives as from it came the maximum
number of questions.
Lots of questions on profiling as well (Important stuff this).
Even though, I have more than an years experience in using netbeans, I found
the test concentrated on a lot of stuff that I have never used like profiling, versioning, remote debugging etc.
Well, I don't expect to clear the test.
But it was interesting taking the exam.

My verdict : If one goes through the Help section of the IDE properly, this test will be a cakewalk.


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Jose Vieira
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Anup Francis

Thank's for your information about the exam, i'm studying with the help of NetBeans. I hope pass in the test!!!


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Robert James Liguori
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Originally posted by Anup Francis:
Hi ranchers,

Took the test this morning.
Man, these beta tests make me sick.
3 hrs is a very long time for a test. I got tired reading the questions after a while. As far as the questions asked, I didn't think it was very hard.
It's just that you need to know most of the topics reasonably well.
As I mentioned in my previous post on this topic, the only thing that one needs to study for the test is the IDE help section. It is pretty comprehensive and covers everything. (The only issue is it's pretty boring to read that stuff especially profiling, debugging etc)
I hadn't studied much for this test (perhaps becoz its free I didn't
have the motivation to study hard) and that showed in the test.
Lots of specific questions for which you either know the answer or you don't.
Lots of questions on debugging and web apps like JSF.
Also, lots of questions on free form projects.
Concentrate on section 6 of the objectives as from it came the maximum
number of questions.
Lots of questions on profiling as well (Important stuff this).
Even though, I have more than an years experience in using netbeans, I found
the test concentrated on a lot of stuff that I have never used like profiling, versioning, remote debugging etc.
Well, I don't expect to clear the test.
But it was interesting taking the exam.

My verdict : If one goes through the Help section of the IDE properly, this test will be a cakewalk.


"My verdict : If one goes through the Help section of the IDE properly, this test will be a cakewalk." ... I agree.


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John Emory
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Joined: Oct 15, 2008
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Hey guys, I would like to know if they provide any images in the test ?
For example: How to setup the profiler for some project.

Or you gotta just remember the menus by heart and then select in some radio button the right path ? Profile->Profile Main Project
Anup Francis
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Yup there where quite a few questions with images (perhaps 10 or so).
One was about the project structure with screenshots as part of each option.
Some questions showed some tab in the options window and asked selecting which option would enable a feature and a few others as well.

I don't think you need to by heart those options (didn't find too many questions which needed such info). Only one question that I remember had such
an option and it was about how to create junit tests.
John Emory
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Thanks for the reply...

I know that you said already about reading the IDE Help but do you think that would be better, instead of reading the help which makes me sleepy , to actually implement all of the tutorials that are in the netbeans site ?

Would this make more sense or what ?

Also, are things like component properties on the exam?
[ October 21, 2008: Message edited by: John Dantas ]
Anup Francis
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You can try out a few of the netbeans tutorials but I would say if you just want to clear the exam stick to the Help section. Doing tutorials might help you remember some of the stuff that you read in the help section.

I don't think the exam had too many or any questions on component properties.
I was in a real hurry to finish the exam, so couldn't remember much about that. I would say maybe a days effort in reading that Help section should be enough to get through this.
Jose Vieira
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Posts: 26
Ranchers,

I'm make one resume of objetives exam, where can i post it??
Tridib Samanta
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Friends,
Today I went to take the exam and had a very bad experience. I registered few days ago to write the exam. Today when I went to the exam center they said the exam is not available. I called Prometric, India. They said the required number of candidates already taken the exam so it has been closed. I am so much dissapointed . Is it what happens in Beta exams?
Vyas Sanzgiri
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Where do you live? What center was this?
Theodore Casser
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Originally posted by Tridib Samanta:
Is it what happens in Beta exams?

I think this would actually be the first time I've heard of this happening with Sun. I know that Microsoft does their betas this way, though, so it wouldn't be unique in the industry.


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Tridib Samanta
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Where do you live? What center was this?


I am in India. I called many testing center. All have the same answer. I called Prometrics customer care. Then I got to know the fact. Is there anybody still able to write the exam?
Piotr Swiecicki
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Joined: Nov 16, 2006
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I am in India. I called many testing center. All have the same answer. I called Prometrics customer care. Then I got to know the fact. Is there anybody still able to write the exam?


I have my exam booked for 3.11.2008 in the UK, I hope it is still going to happen. When looking at the Sun's website:
http://www.sun.com/training/certification/netbeans.html
there is a message:
Registration for the Sun Certified Specialist Netbeans IDE beta exam has been CLOSED due to high demand and because the total number of registrations for this exam has been met. No further registrations are being taken at this time.

It only tells that the registration is closed, nothing that already booked exams are cancelled.
Milton Ochoa
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This page

http://www.sun.com/training/certification/netbeans.html

No longer exist.
Tridib Samanta
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Originally posted by Piotr Swiecicki:

It only tells that the registration is closed, nothing that already booked exams are cancelled.


Hmmm...that means when I called the testing center they didn't book my test. BTW, how did you register the exam? Did you get any registration confirmation letter/code while calling the testing center?

I don't know how will we confirm the regitration.
Milton Ochoa
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Hmmm...that means when I called the testing center they didn't book my test. BTW, how did you register the exam? Did you get any registration confirmation letter/code while calling the testing center?

I don't know how will we confirm the regitration.


I will tell you how I done my registration.

All is done by prometric, you select the place where you want to present the exam, select the exam (netbeans) and that it.

on a few seconds, prometric send a confirmation to you email.

And thats it
[ October 23, 2008: Message edited by: Milton Ochoa ]
Piotr Swiecicki
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Hmmm...that means when I called the testing center they didn't book my test. BTW, how did you register the exam? Did you get any registration confirmation letter/code while calling the testing center?


I have registered a couple days ago using prometric website. As the colleague has replied already I have received confirmation email couple seconds later.
Tridib Samanta
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Guys, I am able to write the exam today!!! I suddenly found that sun site has again opened the resitration. I rushed to the test center and wrote the exam.

Along with questions in Profiling, Debugging and testing I got many question how to setup different version of JDK platform for compiling and running. Almost 15 question!

Put emphasize on, different ways to perform a particular task. For example using toolbar button, Menu items and context menu. There are lots of question on this.

It was a good experience taking an IDE exam! I thank Sun for providing us such an opportunity.
John Emory
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Joined: Oct 15, 2008
Posts: 9
I have called here in finland to the prometric test center and they said that its confirmed in their part. Dunno if they are going to tell me that the test isnt valid anymore when I arrive there.

The SCSNI page is back.
Jose Vieira
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Joined: Aug 10, 2007
Posts: 26
Ranchers,

I'm found a very good site for studies, follow the link:

http://sites.google.com/site/netbeansscsni/

Is a very, very god stuff !!!
Khp Virajith
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Hello Guys,

Yes, that's true. The author has done a great job to summarize the essentials parts according to the objectives of the SCSNI exam.
Following link is also useful where some Netbeans tutorials are listed.

Netbeans Wiki - SCSNI page

Cheers!
VIRAJ


SCJP, SCWCD, SCMAD, SCSNI
Unnikrishnan Nair
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Originally posted by Christophe Verre:
I misinterpreted the post, thinking that the poster never ever used Netbeans, even before taking the test. I realized that he must have used it to study each topics.


I think the importance is to study all topics listed, understand the IDE to the sense what Sun wants. And as many discussed, users with experience in IDE for years not necessarly had exposures to most of the topics. And I dont think you can write any of Java certifications without well preparing for it.

To others

The exam was a bit lengthy, because it slipped over 3 hours which many other exams from sun does not. Many questions were interrelated, so make a mistake in one, you will end in up making mistakes in many.

There were many code snippets on the exam, and questions based on that. No drag and drop but. Agree with many others since the help topics itself can assist you through many topics in the exam

Best wishes to all taking the exam
[ October 25, 2008: Message edited by: Unnikrishnan Nair ]
John Emory
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To Any of you who did the test:

I would like to know if any code abbreviations like sout+TAB were present in the test ?

This page illustrates better my question.
http://sites.google.com/site/netbeansscsni/Home/section-5--editing/5-5-demonstrate-the-ability-to-use-live-code-templates-such-as-automatic-generation-of-constructors-try-catch-loops-and-getters-and-setters

Thanks.

<<edited to insert missing link>>
[ October 28, 2008: Message edited by: John Dantas ]
Milton Ochoa
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Originally posted by John Dantas:
To Any of you who did the test:

I would like to know if any code abbreviations like sout+TAB were present in the test ?

This page illustrates better my question.

Thanks.


Hi John, the fast reply its: NO.

This kind of question, dont ask on the exam.
Vyas Sanzgiri
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I am studying for the test and planning to give it this weekend. Any new experiences?
Khp Virajith
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Hello Friends,

I took the test last Saturday but I didn't post my experience as the experience I got and the nature of the exam was already explained by the other few people who have already done the exam. I would like to give some special hints summarizing here for the benefit of the others planing to do exam recently.

* Don't worry too much about hot keys (E.g. F6 for run the Main Project, etc) as the exam doesn't ask you questions like what is the hot key for starting a debugging session, etc.

* If you have prior day-to-day working experience in using Netbeans it really helps you as you might have gone through the steps that are asked in the exam already. (Exam asks questions with snapshots of source editor like this - E.g. there is an icon of a bulb displayed at the left edge of a statement, if you click on it what will happen? or what is the error it indicates? so error may be a missing import statement, etc.) So if you have hands-on experience on netbeans, obviously you have seen these messages hundreds of times. But If anybody doesn't have much experience on Netbeans, don't get frustrated as the exam is not hard as you might imagine.

* As others have mentioned eariler, there were some questions in which the same theory is tested multiple times. Specially questions on porting a Netbeans project developed in one JDK version to another, free form projects, using existing source code in Netbeans project, etc.

* If you have time, please go through the notes and demos mentioned under following links. Frankly, they were really helpful to me.

SCSNI Google Group
- I really appreciate the work done by the author as it covers lots of important facts with respect to the exam objectives.

Netbeans Wiki tutorials
- These tutorials/demo are awesome as they train you to the point.

* Exam lasts for 3 hours and 15 minutes, So don't forget to bring a water bottle to get rid of dehydration.

* Finally I would like to mention the most important fact. This is a really nice opportunity and you'll get dual advantages. You can do the exam at no cost as well as you can learn/sharpen your knowledge on Netbeans IDE a lot. Specially, the topics such as Debugging, Profiling, Versioning are really essential for high quality developments and if somebody missed that, this is a real opportunity to learn them and brush up your abilities in Netbeans.

Cheers!
Virajith
Milton Ochoa
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Thank you for the URLS.

If I fail this certification, I know where to get good information.
Jose Vieira
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Joined: Aug 10, 2007
Posts: 26
Thank's Virajith !!!

good luck for you !
Khp Virajith
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Hello Milton, Jose,

You're warmly welcomed and it's a pleasure to share knowledge & experience with you all...
Good luck on your exam!

And also I came to know about the SCDJWS 5 - Beta
SCDJWS 5

So why don't we give a try for SCDJWS?

Cheers!
Virajith
Milton Ochoa
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Originally posted by KHP Virajith:

And also I came to know about the SCDJWS 5 - Beta
SCDJWS 5

So why don't we give a try for SCDJWS?


WOW, another BETA.

I will try it too.

---

I think that we need to open another thread about this new certification

But please, give me some mateerial to study, or referenses, because I dont know anything about web services.

Thankyou in advance
[ October 28, 2008: Message edited by: Milton Ochoa ]
Jose Vieira
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Hi Virajith

I'm studying every days, my exam was scheduled at 5 of november. after this exam, i'll return to SCBCD study

Go ahead !!!
Khp Virajith
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Hello All,

Milton,
I just mentioned that fact for others information. There is a thread already opened for SCDJWS 5 discussion. So you may find more facts from there.

SCDJWS 5 exam discussion

SCDJWS 5 books discussion

and Jose,

Ok fine and study well in next remaining days and get through the exam while providing good feedback to the Sun on their free Beta exam

I also wanna head to the SCBCD 5, if I could win the battle with time!

Regards,
Virajith
 
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