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I cannot remember a single time I have read an astrology prediction (which is not vague enough to match just about anything) and then seen it come true. As for logic, I'm not sure what you mean.Originally posted by basha khan:
Quote Dave lenton
I do believe that the stars have an effect on my life. Sometimes I look at them and feel interested or have sense of wonder.
Any logic? How many times predictions happened to u and not happened?
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I cannot remember a single time I have read an astrology prediction (which is not vague enough to match just about anything) and then seen it come true.
This may be a bit of a personal question, and I do not mean to ask anything inappropriate, or to offend, but do you have an idea how they affect humans? By this I mean what do they do to us, and by what mechanism do they do it?Originally posted by vjy chin:
But to me I understand that the stars do have an effect in human.
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OK, thanks, that's a bit clearer.Originally posted by basha khan:
Quote Dave Lenton
As for logic, I'm not sure what you mean.
The logic is simple, I'll believe in Astrology if,
1) If i get a cool reply to educate me the basic of astrology. which is about the connection of stars and humen (i posted detailed questien in my previous post).
2) If somebody actually experiencing the predictions come true in their life, always( i give 20% tolerance for error, if 80% happens, it's OK) . If sometimes happen something, it's not good enough.
If 1 and 2 is OK, (AND condition, not OR) , then i'll concider astrolgy.
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This may be a bit of a personal question, and I do not mean to ask anything inappropriate, or to offend, but do you have an idea how they affect humans? By this I mean what do they do to us, and by what mechanism do they do it?
It seems to me that many people who believe in astrology do not know the answer to this question (in respect to astrology). I find this a bit confusing. Without answers, or at least indications of possible likely answers, to these questions, why consider astrology to be likely or true in the first place?
Originally posted by basha khan:
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The logic is simple, I'll believe in Astrology if,
1) If i get a cool reply to educate me the basic of astrology. which is about the connection of stars and humen (i posted detailed questien in my previous post).
If 1 and 2 is OK, (AND condition, not OR) , then i'll concider astrolgy.[/QB]
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Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
the beauty of the JREF million dollar challenge is that the Astrologer says what "works" means, and how accurate. THEY define the test parameters. the JREF just makes sure that it is a properly done, double blind study.
it bothers me when leaders of governments use Astrologers to help them decide what is the correct policy decision. call me crazy.
and don't get me started on homeopathic medicine. "the active ingredients... are practically non-existant"??? are you SERIOUS?
i recently saw a homeopathic remedy that, according to the box itself, would require you to consume a glob of water the size of the solar system, and then drink about 9,999 more globs the same size, to consume exactly ONE MOLECULE of the active ingredient.
and it's disgusting to me when somebody STOPS legitimate, proven medical treatments because some woo-woo "doctor" tells them that "alternative medicine" has been practice for thousands of years.
people believed the world was flat for thousands of years, too. that doesn't mean it's right. reality is not a question of public opinion and majority rules.
the truth is that none of this has EVER been shown to be anything more than luck, subjective memory, or a placebo effect.
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Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
and don't get me started on homeopathic medicine. "the active ingredients... are practically non-existant"??? are you SERIOUS?
i recently saw a homeopathic remedy that, according to the box itself, would require you to consume a glob of water the size of the solar system, and then drink about 9,999 more globs the same size, to consume exactly ONE MOLECULE of the active ingredient.
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Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
<clarifying a point, not arguing further>
"Not sure what you mean by that."
what i mean by that is the following...
a common dilution for homeopathic remedies is 30C. 1C means to dilute the original substance to 1:100. 2C means to dilute it to 1:100, then take THAT and dilute it again to 1:100. each increase in the C number dilutes the original substance by a factor of 100.
so, a 30C dilution means you dilute it to 1 part in 10^60.
there are only something like 10^51 atoms in the earth. your medicine is diluted a billion times more than that, and you're only drinking - let's be generous, a cup of the homeopathic remedy. odds are pretty slim there would be even 1 molecule of the substance in there.
my point is that you are not consuming ANY of the substance that is supposedly in there.
Thanks, that's quite interesting. Do you have any idea how it works though? By what mechanism do the stars actually change things for a person here?Originally posted by vjy chin:
Aslo I just told my understanding and I am still not good in this field. But since I have seen my friends charts with my cousins help, I was able to relate their life using their charts.
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Indeed. For the most part people should be left to believe what they want, and their beliefs should be respected.Originally posted by vjy chin:
People may believe homeopathy, astrology or not, but its one's personal decision to use it or trash it.
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Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
However, if I lived in a country where people in power were making decisions based upon astrology (or some other similar thing), particularly decisions detrimental to the country, I would be quite upset..
Originally posted by basha khan:
Quote Ram Bhakt
Well, as simple as this logic sounds, it is equally useless. It is nobody's responsibility to 'educate' you on anything.
I don�t give that responsibility to anyone. If somebody believes in astrology can or willing to tell why they believe in astrology simply, and if that convince me, then it�s enough to educate me.
So if you think it is useless, that's fine. If you think it has some logic, that is fine too. Nobody cares. Only way to find out is to make effort yourself, read the books, talk to people who practice it or any other mechanism.
Cool. That's exactly what I am doing by posting this topic here. If I have to buy books to find out the basics, I may do it also. But why cant u guys who believe in it explain it according to your beliefs, with the replies so far, I am not convinced on astrology.
Whether it is only psychological, or real, who knows.
Sometimes God maybe knowing. Or not.
Sorry, I must disagree here. Perhaps you come from a less secular place then I do, but where I live there are plenty of agnostics and atheists who have never asked for help from a deity for supernatural spirit. On poll a couple of years ago showed that only 44% of the UK population said they believed in God and 35% said they do not. Speaking as a part of that 35%, I would be upset if my elected representatives based policy decisions upon something I believe not to be real!Originally posted by Ram Bhakt:
I have never met a guy who has never ever in his life has said, "Oh God, help me out". So I am not surprised if a leader of country does that too. This is human nature.
Absolutely. Not knowing the future can be quite stressful, and this is probably why we love the thought of something which can help remove that stress.This happens because we do not know the future and we try to "know" it through any means so that we can take better decisions.
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By Fred Rosenbergeri'm sure that if you (or he) could accuratly predict the past of a stranger, simply by knowing the date/time/place of birth, it would qualify for the challenge
Well what will you say if someone tell you your name,fathere's name,mother,wife names,your lotta characteristics and break and elevation time of your life just by SIING YOUR THUMB PRINT?Not believing?? Well come to Vaidhishvar Koil of kumbakonam where such records of EVERYONE has been put....Well many people's record is now missing but still there is a lot records available.It is believed that old Hindu saints wrote this for every future people.
If so many people are able to do this kind of prediction, why has astrology never passed a scientific test of the kind mentioned above?Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:
If anyone just knows exactdate AND time of his birth,his 'Kundali' can be made and everything,EVERYTHING, can be inferred about him!!
There will be glitches in my transition from being a saloon bar sage to a world statesman. - Tony Banks
If so many people are able to do this kind of prediction, why has astrology never passed a scientific test of the kind mentioned above?
Originally posted by agrah upadhyay:
Why do not you undertake this? Well you come to India and really would find your name being foretelled as Dave(if records found). Well lotta people have found them true.And its NOT like that they tell you"You are a job holder,a socail animal, always struggling,married and desire to know about secrets,short tempered etc" or "liking coffee,a fan of court game,aficionado of Brazil team....".They will even foretell you your own name ,a good recrd of your family.Oh it can not be a set of permutations no?
Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
If so many people are able to do this kind of prediction, why has astrology never passed a scientific test of the kind mentioned above?
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Satish Chilukuri:
Are my finger prints the only things required?
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by vjy chin:
Vaidhishvar Koil is near Kumbakonam(50-60 kms) in Tamil Nadu. Its a famous Shiva Temple. You can goto Kumbakonam from chennai and from there you need to goto a place called Mayavaram(Also called as Maiyiladuthurai). From there you will get buses to Vaidhishvar Koil or in Mayavaram itself check with the transport department.
I think they only need your finger print. Then they will ask which part of life (career, job, marriage, business) you want. You can also ask them to give complete predictions.
If you go there, let us know.
I also feel something cant be proved by science.
Astrology is much more older than science, and why should anyone prove astrology scientifically.
but one who is really into astrology would not even think about that.
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