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fred rosenberger
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Mike Okri wrote:If I can provide evidence that your fingerprint is on a knife, I have proved that you touched the knife.

Not according to many cop shows I've seen. Everyone knows person 'A' can lift person B's fingerprints with cellophane tape and then plant them on the knife.

I think I just saw it happen on a law and order re-run last week.
 
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Thanks for that Fred. We've established that the correct phrase should be sufficient evidence.
 
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Mike Okri wrote:You cannot say that you didn't misunderstand me when you obviously did

Read the whole of my reply.

Mike Okri wrote:If I say Mr A ate something and Miss B ate something, it doen't necessarily mean that they've eaten the same thing.

Once again, you make my point for me. Originally you said there was no way it could mean the same thing. Now you're saying it doen't (sic) necessarily mean ... the same thing. i.e. more than one interpretation of what you said is possible.
 
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If I say Mr A ate something and Miss B ate something , I agree that it's possible to make the assumption that they've eaten the same thing, however, I think that it will be wrong to make this assumption because this information has not been provided. The only information that has been provided is the fact that Mr A and Miss B have both eaten something.
 
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Mike Okri wrote:Thanks for that Fred. We've established that the correct phrase should be sufficient evidence.

I was just trying to inject a little levity into this thread
 
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Mike Okri wrote:If I say Mr A ate something and Miss B ate something , I agree that it's possible to make the assumption that they've eaten the same thing, however, I think that it will be wrong to make this assumption because this information has not been provided. The only information that has been provided is the fact that Mr A and Miss B have both eaten something.

I agree, but the fact that it is possible to make an assumption introduces an element of doubt and when you are discussing something more precise (such as language semantics) you need to remove as much doubt about your meaning as possible.

Mike Okri wrote:To doubt that something is true is to suspect that it is false.
makes your meaning clear.

Mike Okri wrote:If you doubt something, this implies that you suspect something
is open to interpretation.
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:
Mike Okri wrote:Thanks for that Fred. We've established that the correct phrase should be sufficient evidence.

I was just trying to inject a little levity into this thread

I've been having fun. Certainly more fun that writing a design doc which is what I should have been doing.
 
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Mike Okri wrote:If I say Mr A ate something and Miss B ate something , I agree that it's possible to make the assumption that they've eaten the same thing...


Actually it's very unlikely that they have eaten the same thing, since once Miss B eats something, that thing is no longer available for Mr A to eat. Unless Miss B then regurgitates the thing, making it available again. I'm willing to believe that this has happened at least once but I would still classify it as a very low-probability event.
 
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Mike Okri wrote:Thanks for that Fred. We've established that the correct phrase should be sufficient evidence.

To be fair, "proof" also worked just fine.
 
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Isn't there also a difference in emphasis in the word "suspect" depending on how you use it?

"The guy with the brown hair is the primary suspect."
"I suspect that it's going to rain tomorrow."

First vs. second syllable, noun vs. verb.
 
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Paul Clapham wrote:Actually it's very unlikely that they have eaten the same thing, since once Miss B eats something, that thing is no longer available for Mr A to eat.

You're assuming that the thing eaten by Mr A is the same thing eaten by Miss B. As Joanne pointed out, the statement Mr A ate something and Miss B ate something is subject to interpretation. These inaccurate assumptions are possible:
  • Mr A ate a piece of fish and Miss B ate a piece of ham.
  • Mr A ate a portion of a piece of fish and Miss B ate a portion of the same piece of fish.
  • Mr A ate a piece of fish and then regurgitated the piece of fish. Miss B then ate the regurgitated food.

  • In my opinion, I think that the only accurate assumptions that can be made from this statement are that Mr A has had something to eat and Miss B has had something to eat. In other words, I can accurately assume that if I ask Mr A Have you had something to eat, he'll say Yes I've had something to eat. Similarly, I can accurately assume that if I ask Miss B Have you had something to eat, she'll say Yes I've had something to eat. In my opinion, making any assumption about the type of food eaten is wrong because this information has not been provided.

    Blimey! It's no wonder that the bible has a million and one interpretations; many of which are inaccurate.
     
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    Jesper de Jong wrote:Isn't there also a difference in emphasis in the word "suspect" depending on how you use it?


    There's a short(ish) list of words to which that rule applies. Common among those words: two syllables, can be used as noun or verb, Latin root. Other examples: project, conduct.
     
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    Mike Okri wrote:You're assuming that the thing eaten by Mr A is the same thing eaten by Miss B. As Joanne pointed out, the statement Mr A ate something and Miss B ate something is subject to interpretation.


    Yup. And if Mr A and Miss B had photographed the same thing, instead of eating the same thing, then a different set of interpretations would be possible, with different probability ratings.
     
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    So Akhilesh - are the differences between doubt and suspect clear to you now ?
     
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    Even if he is clear I am completely confused following all the replies I doubt (or suspect) I use doubt (or suspect) hereafter in my life
     
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    I suspect that's a good idea.
     
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    Really? I doubt it.
     
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    Suspect has more chances to be true.
    and doubt has verly less chances to be true.
     
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    Joanne Neal wrote:So Akhilesh - are the differences between doubt and suspect clear to you now ?


    Yes Joanne, I suspect it is clear now. It will however take me time to digest difference between evidence and proof and that 'same-thing' thing.
     
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