Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
...The GDP cannot be manipulated, nor can most, if not all, other government economics indicies.
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
<Numbers and guesses on IT staff>
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
I am not saying the GDP, or other government numbers you see are worng. I am saying they do not represent a correct picture. I was trying to show why US needs this huge military budget, it is not because we are such a bad arses, just because spending $200 Billion here and there can positively affect statistical indicators, as well as help your buddies sustain their businesses through recession.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
I started to believe that, just like in corporate quarterly reports, changing an indicator by 1-2 percentage points can be done by simply accounting manipulations. It's when you see 3-4% changes you start to believe it might be a trend. And you are right, if we look at 10-15 year span, indices should approximate reality pretty well.
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Yeah, I know some about statistics, I also know that, when related to economics, it is a very opinionated discipline (you know, what to count, what not to count, what are the weights of this and that...). For the sake of an argument I could assume statistics to be a science
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg, in response to posting by Shura Balaganov:
I started to believe that, just like in corporate quarterly reports, changing an indicator by 1-2 percentage points can be done by simply accounting manipulations. It's when you see 3-4% changes you start to believe it might be a trend. And you are right, if we look at 10-15 year span, indices should approximate reality pretty well.
This is not possible. There is a fixed formula for calculating things like GDP, CPI, etc.
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
I agree that non-tech will start hiring first (and some of them already do). In my area most tech jobs I see are either in pharmaceuticals or financial companies. They are also nit-picking, and most ask candidates to have experience in their industry.
Which could probably lead to a question. In this economy, which is a more important skill: specific technology (such as Java) or specific industry (such as pharmaceutical, telecom or financial)?
I have a few former co-workers, technology folks with MBAs, who I keep in touch with. They have it much easier; although some companies have hiring freeze, there are still banks and financial institutions out there who are hiring.
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Yeah, they do have a fixed formula, but they come up with a number (like 5.8% GDP increase in 1 quarter of 2002) and then revise it several times, and in bad economy it is usually downwards.B
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Which could probably lead to a question. In this economy, which is a more important skill: specific technology (such as Java) or specific industry (such as pharmaceutical, telecom or financial)?
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
I'd say companies are equally stupid about emphasiing those skills. Take a smart C programer, he can learn Java in a month (I've seen even less time), and be good at it inside 6 months. I'd say the same is true for most industries. I'm hiring people looking at a 4-5 year window. The 3-6 month ramp up time is insignificant to me if it gets me a better candidate.
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Originally posted by John Fontana:
In NYC it is definitely true that financial experience is necessary. ...A search on Dice.com found no results for java not financial not trading in the NY area.
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Try these for NY/financial/java positions:
http://www.headhunter.net
http://bloomberg.careerbuilder.com (this takes you to headhunter.net anyway, but has more financial positions)
http://www.monster.com
http://jobsearch.monster.com/jobsearch.asp?
ah=http%3A%2F%2Fjobsearch.monster.com%
2F&col=dltci&fn=6%2C+546%2C+548%2C+549%2C+660&pp=
50&ss=0&lid=550&cy=US&brd=1
&q=java+and+not+manager&sort=dt&tm=30d (here's a start for you on monster.com, 80 java positions in NYC, but you have to sort through a lot of garbage to see if there are any good ones for you)
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Originally posted by John Fontana:
Is the bridge from non-specific types of programming to financial really that hard?
...
I'm just afraid that because the ads are so up-front about the financial requirement, I would never have a chance to prove my skills to otherwise appropriate opportunities.
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Unemployment rate hit new high of 6% in April.
http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/03/news/economy/economy/index.htm
Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
THE BRIDGE IS MINIMAL. BUT IT IS SOOOO HARD TO CROSS IT.
Originally posted by Roseanne Zhang:
Oh, yeah! You reminded me about the language barrier to cross when I first entered the telecom business....I put a bunch of 2" * 1" index cards in my pocket...
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Originally posted by Jim Baiter:
To show Mark I am being objective here, there is an upbeat article I found linked from Dice. It indicates the return of strong demand for IT workers - see here
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
It's amazing what an addition of SCJP certificate does to your resume. Yesterday my web "agent" was matching 10-20 new positions a day, and today it came back with 184! Now, I am pretty sure I am the same person today as I was yesterday, before I passed the test.... or am I dreaming?
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Originally posted by John Fontana:
Congratulations! What web agent are you using...I've had SCJP for a few months now, and it seems the only thing that would increase my leads substantially is financial experience...
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
...that I will probably never code professionally in Java again.
Originally posted by Matt DeLacey:
do you really think you should be the sheriff of this forum???
Originally posted by Roseanne Zhang:
Thomas Paul was raised as JavaRanch sheriff after he became C# .NET developer, and I admire Trailboss Paul Wheaton's decision.
Java is not the beginning of the world, nor the end of the world. Java is just one programming language to get the job done. So does C#, Lisp, fortran, C/C++, Pascal, etc. Good people are always good no matter which language they are coding. Good skills are transferrable. When I created JavaChina, I was a full time VC++ programmer and only a part-time Java teacher.
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If by "this forum" you mean "Jobs Discussion" then you should note that I am not the moderator of this forum. If by "this forum" you mean the entire JavaRanch forum then I disagree.Originally posted by Matt DeLacey:
I sympathize with everything that you are saying, and agree with you on many of the things, but if the above is true, do you really think you should be the sheriff of this forum???
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