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Hey Guys I am a passive member of the ranch and not sure if this cam up before. I am preparing for the scjp and would like to go for the scwd after that. I have noticed that although recruiters do look for java certification they don't know the difference between SCJP, SCWD, SCBCD and SCEA. I have noticed that as long as you are java certified it does not matter what certification you have. Is it worth it going beyond SCJP if recruiters don't know the value of other certifications?
 
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There is no such thing as "the recruiter". What they may or may not know about technology or certifications varies widely between companies. Plus, the value of a certification depends a good deal on the job market you're in. Some markets value certifications a lot, others not at all, and some see them as a negative trait.

Without further information as to what job market you're asking about, any answer is bound to have little value.
 
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Sorry man I forgot the most important thing. I was talking about the South African job market.
 
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Originally posted by Russy Dupee:
Sorry man I forgot the most important thing. I was talking about the South African job market.



Just out of curiosity, I would like to know from you experienced fellows, what is the value of SCJP in Indian Software Market?
 
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Originally posted by Som Nath Paul:


Just out of curiosity, I would like to know from you experienced fellows, what is the value of SCJP in Indian Software Market?



SCJP has value everywhere.
 
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SCJP has good value in the IT market, it signifies that you are the better/good java programmer and you are familar with java concepts.
 
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it signifies that you are the better/good java programmer


Actually, it doesn't. Since the SCJP -like the SCWCD- is completely theoretical and involves no programming, it says little about programming ability.
[ June 09, 2008: Message edited by: Ulf Dittmer ]
 
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Originally posted by Russy Dupee:
Sorry man I forgot the most important thing. I was talking about the South African job market.



Hi Russy, I'm working in Jhb and can say that the certification has a lot of mileage here.
If a recruiter or 10 of them have no idea what the difference is between them, that doesn't matter much, cosmically speaking they don't matter much.
The recruiter often has no idea what the employer requires, and the he or she might have fantastic excuses for that such as "The employer is looking for java and j2ee". They might not know what j2ee is either.

Point is, when the employer asks you to solve a little coding problem in your interview, as some tend to do, the certificate might not help you very much but the learning process in the SCJD for instance might very well have prepared you for it.

The recruiter merely gets your foot in the door, and they might feel 'java certified' is enough, once in the door you might need something more to stay there.
[ June 09, 2008: Message edited by: Taariq San ]
 
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Hi Tareeq

I am in Cape Town. I have noticed on alot of job post that a company is looking for a SCJP/SCJD in the same advert. For me its strange because if you
require a SCJD then you have a SCJP certificate already so where's the logic in that. I think maybe it differs between agencies but I think some companies also are not sure what the difference is between these certificates. I am just a junior aspiring to be a architect one day ,but what value does a SCEA carry if people don't know how valuable it is and the effort you had to go through to get it.
 
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Originally posted by Russy Dupee:
Hi Tareeq

I am in Cape Town. I have noticed on alot of job post that a company is looking for a SCJP/SCJD in the same advert. For me its strange because if you
require a SCJD then you have a SCJP certificate already so where's the logic in that.


For that reason I include SCJP on my CV even though it should be obvious.
I've read CV's from some with masters degrees but they include matric.

I think maybe it differs between agencies but I think some companies also are not sure what the difference is between these certificates. I am just a junior aspiring to be a architect one day ,but what value does a SCEA carry if people don't know how valuable it is and the effort you had to go through to get it.



You gain a lot more from the certification process than the certificate, you'll be forced to learn a lot those lessons will certainly count.

Some employers have no regard for degrees, they feel it's a waste of time, some of them can't tell one degree from another. This doesn't make it a pointless process.

That said the certificate won't make you an architect, and it's perfectly possible to be a certified coder yet unable to actually process quality code.
But if I were interviewing you and another junior with similar experience but holding the certificate, I'd take the other junior and that's where the value is.
 
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