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Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:
Darya, why do you think that OOAD would be different if it is implemented using J2EE? OOAD principles apply in general, while J2EE is about particular APIs that can be used to implement an OOD once it is done.
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Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
Having said that, I also don't believe that the HF series was meant to be the only books you ever read.
Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
Darya, can you give a concrete example of what kind of advice you'd need, what kind of problems you are encountering when applying OOAD to J2EE?
Originally posted by Ilja Preuss:
If you know the GoF design patterns, nothing in the J2EE should be a big surprise to you.
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I'm relieved to see that HF doesn't strengthen this believe.
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Originally posted by Peer Reynders:
HFEJB: Patterns and Performance, the Lost (last) Chapter
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
... HFOOAD was never really intended to be a patterns-related book.
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Originally posted by Bert Bates:
And, as far as that other link goes - we said way back then that it's on our list, and, in fact it is! As far as getting us to re-prioritize our list, we are open to bribes
Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Isn't D in OOAD exactly where design patterns belong?
Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Is there a reason why you are so shy for covering up with J2EE ?
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Originally posted by Peer Reynders:
... complexity is not something you would want to burden an OO neophyte with, a Book on OOD needs to show that OOD manages complexity, not needlessly create it.
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
... and you should be able to find your way by reading HF Design patterns, HF OOAD, and a J2EE book. Maybe add a dedicated J2EE pattern catalogue if you insist, but if you do also add a book about antipatterns.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
I don't want to learn on how NOT doing things. Antipatterns are more for the experienced user, so these should come later, if at all. Much more important are the good patterns .
The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny - it is the light that guides your way. - Heraclitus
Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Now, HFOOAD would have done a great job if it had shown, in its OOD section, how to use these J2EE patterns.
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I definitely don't share you thoughts of grabbing all these books and find my own way to J2EE. Of course, one should have an understanding from all, but not in any detail. And here is where a good book like HFOOAD steps in and glues it all together. I want to learn the best practices on how to glue it all together. I don't want to learn on how NOT doing things.
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HFOOAD is exactly the place where it belongs, because it's here, right between OOA and OOD, where you must make your decision for the technology.
Ignoring this step and leaving people wandering in uncertainty is one reason why lot of teams are in trouble and projects become unsuccessful .
Regards,
Darya
Originally posted by Gary Pollice:
... I plan on teaching with HFOOAD next year in my OOAD course, but I will also use the HFDP as the second text -- and I'll even be handing out additional readings for added depth on specific topics.
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Originally posted by Darya Akbari:
Welcome to JavaRanch Gary,
I hope you share your additional reading stuff also here and that one specific topic will be J2EE .
Regards,
Darya
Originally posted by Bert Bates:
Welcome to the ranch Gary!
But be careful, this place can become addictive
Bert
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