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Ray Marsh
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Has any used Forte for Java, from Sun?
I downloaded the IDE from Sun to give it a try.
It's pretty heavy duty, in the same category as Visual Age for Java.


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Joe Paolangeli
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I downloaded Forte for Java, the Community Edition yesterday. Forte is extremely slow on my machine which has a 233mhz processor and 65K ram. I will be getting a faster machine with more ram in a couple of weeks. Did you have any performance problems running Forte?
I have also tried Visual Slick Edit which is a very nice product for editing, compiling, and running java programs. The only problem is that the product does not offer a nice debugging facility which is very important for my IDE search. Have you used this proudct?
Ray Marsh
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I haven't used 'Visual Slick Edit'. I currently use 'Programmer's File Editor' a free download, although I can't remember where I got it. PFE sounds similar VSE, better than DOS and NotePad anyway.
I use a P2 at work, don't know the processor speed. Forte takes a few seconds to load. I have 'Visual Age for Java' at home and have a AMD K6-233 processor it runs very slow indeed. Also, I haven't taken the time to learn how to use it and subsequently don't. It recommends 128k of ram! :wow:
I have heard good things about 'Visual Age for Java', I've heard nothing about Forte.
Anonymous
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Hi Ray,
I had installed Forte a week back but it is extremely slow on my machine with a modest config. (64 mb RAM and 433 Mhz). I also tried a couple of other IDE but the one I liked the most is KAWA. It is quite fast on my machine and has a very good debugging utility.
Regds,
Milind
Ray Marsh
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Thanks Milind. I've heard good things about Kawa, as well. Is there a trial version? Also, do you know what the retail price is and where it can be purchased?
I have another IDE question: What's the difference between a "visual" IDE and "normal" IDE. Do these things generate code, like a case tool, or simply assist the programmer with on-line editing and debugging tools?
Thanks,
Ray
paul wheaton
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I've used Visual Slick Edit for over a year now. I like it. Although when the time comes to move to another machine, it is not easy to copy your setting over.
I noticed at conventions that a lot of the presenters use Visual Slick Edit. In fact, in demos with coding, I've seen VSE used more than any other IDE.


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Anonymous
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Hi Ray,
You can download an evaluation version of KAWA from www.tek-tools.com. A single copy of KAWA costs $129 but student version costs $35.
Hope this helps !!
Regds,
Milind

[This message has been edited by Milind (edited May 25, 2000).]
Frank Carver
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We're in the process of evaluating IDEs where I work at the moment. For a year or two before I arrived it was a Visual Cafe shop, but everyone has become dissatisfied with the latest version. JBuilder has already been dismissed, VisualAge always has problems keeping up with the latest JDK (is it at JDK 1.2 yet?) because of its repository-based compilation. One team member is happily using Forte, but he's the one with a P3-500 with 256MB of RAM. The rest of us seem to have standardized on Kawa. It runs well on lower-spec machines; the P233/64MB on my machine runs it very well, and it used to be fully usable on the old P133/32MB I used on a previous contract.
Kawa doesn't have the bloated features of the "headline" IDEs. It's got no built-in GUI builder, bean library or code-generation wizards, for example. But it does do most of what real developers seem to want. You can set up configs for different JDKs, it has a good debugger and reasonable project mechanism, and it works well with source-code control systems.
I'm a long-time user of the editor and makefile approach to development, and Kawa just takes that a little forward to work with Java's dependency mechanism. Maybe if I used one of the big IDEs seriously I'd get to depend on some of the fancy features, but I can't imagine much more that I need.


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paul wheaton
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I like going with an editor and the Sun JDK. When the JBuilder guys can't compile my code, it always feels good to say that I'm using the defacto standard - they're using a poor replica.
Ray Marsh
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Does Kawa allow you to specify which compiler to use, or does it provide its own w/o an option?
Frank Hale
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I like Forte except for the fact that its pretty complicated to figure out. There is alot of features and they are not easily navigated if your used to using plain text editors like I am. I haven't had any problems with performance but then again I run it on a PIII 500 w/ 256 megs of ram. It takes a little while to load up but after it loads it is decently fast.
If your into just using text editors like me have you checked out Jext? Its a pure java swing based editor with syntax highlighting among other cool features. Its speed is very acceptable.
Frank
Ray Marsh
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Where can you get Jext?
Frank Hale
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Here is the link to Jext. Did I mention that it is open source? Its a very nice editor with enough features to keep anyone happy. If I had to rate it from 1 to 10, I'd give it a 10. Try it out I don't think you'll be disappointed.
http://www.chez.com/powerteam/jext/download.html
Frank
Ray Marsh
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Thanks, Frank and all.
Parthiban Sivaji
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Does Kawa Support Servlets and JSP's
Frank Carver
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Yes, in that you can write and compile any Java using it.
It doesn't include a Servlet/JSP container (does any IDE?), but you can use anything to run your servlets/JSPs in. If you have the source code for your container you can do some pretty sophisticated debugging too.
I write servlets and JSPs using Kawa all the time, and deploy them to JServ, Tomcat or Resin as required.
Joe Paolangeli
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I have downloaded and experimented with the Kawa IDE the last couple of days. Kawa was very easy to set up for editing, compiling, and running java programs. I was also able to debug a servlet using the JSWDK which was pretty nifty. There is a pretty good tutorial in the help system that steps you through the process.
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Anonymous
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Where can I get KAWA?
Some of my friends also recommends using this IDE...
Joe Paolangeli
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You can download a 30 day trial version at (14.9 Meg): http://www.tek-tools.com
If you like the product you can order online or call and Tek-Tools will give you a key code to make the version permanent.
 
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