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John Raynor
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I love the JavaRanch site - must be one of the best for anything Java-related, but I have a small complaint...
I often visit the site when I'm at work, and it's annoying that every page has some image of a cow/horse/mousse etc at the top!!! If my boss walks past while I'm on JavaRanch, I have to quickly change to a different window so he doesn't think I'm looking at some web site about farming or something!
Carl Trusiak
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LOL,
Actually that was one of my fears until the day that another group had a problem with getting a file off another server and I gave them the code that I got here! The group wasn't very experienced and was tied up for a couple of hours before I found out and gave it to them. My suggestion, let your boss know of the site as 'An excellant Java Resource' Which in fact it is!


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Cindy Glass
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Perhaps we could put a mask on the Moose??


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bill bozeman
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Hey, its better than if you boss walks by and sees porn on your computer.
Let him know that this is for education and research. You have a problem and you are tyring to get the answer. Maybe that will help. You know, shows you a problem solver, and not a farming enthusiast.
Bill
Madhav Lakkapragada
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Joined: Jun 03, 2000
Posts: 5040
some web site about farming or.....
ofcourse it is a farm, a java farm!
the concept of farm is now-a-days being thrown around
in the internet domain also. I recently read in some
articles about web-farms.
regds.
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George Brown
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Joined: Sep 26, 2000
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Originally posted by Madhav Lakkapragada:
of course it is a farm, a java farm!

doesn't anyone here also work in cube farms?
Matthew Phillips
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Joined: Mar 09, 2001
Posts: 2676
I work in a cube farm, but my boss is very supportive of anyone learning anything. It doesn't have to be related to the job (which learning Java isn't for me).
Matthew Phillips


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Subramaniam Venkatesan
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Joined: Feb 24, 2001
Posts: 48
Disable "Show pictures" or "Show animations" in the browser. (internet options in IE) (or remove all those files in preferences->navigator->applications in Netscape)
This will not make the images to load.
Simple right
Angela Poynton
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Joined: Mar 02, 2000
Posts: 3143
cube farm???


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George Brown
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Originally posted by Angela Poynton:
cube farm???

never seen the inside of a cube farm? ah, you're lucky then. Ever seen pictures of the inside of battery farms ? (well, similar principle anyway). Companies get large amounts of open-plan office space, cram large numbers of small cubicles into that space and then herd lots of poor unsuspecting workers into them. Look at some Dilbert comic strips, he works in a cube farm.
Angela Poynton
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Oh I see ... no I work in an open plan office ... but no cubes!! Personally I think I'd prefer it because I'd get some privacy and be able to surf into Javaranch whenever I wanted without people (bosses) looking over my shoulder.
Frank Carver
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Joined: Jan 07, 1999
Posts: 6920
Same here. The idea of personal cubes where no one can see what's on your screen or what book you are reading seems great to me. My current desk is effetively in a corridor, people are continually walking behind me, and they can all see what ever I'm doing.
What don't people like about working in these cubes, then?


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Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Joined: Jan 27, 2001
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Why not go back to the good old days when we had small offices that we shared with 2-3 colleagues. Those were days.
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited March 16, 2001).]
George Brown
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Originally posted by Johannes de Jong:
Why not go back to the good old days when we had small offices that we shared with 2-3 colleagues. Those were days.

I think it's the cost of office space per square foot that leads to cube farming. As to why people don't like it, I suspect it's because there's a lack of colleague interaction, and it always feels like the smallest room in the house. I don't like open plan at all. I prefer free-range workplaces, jobs where you can roam, hotdesking at will and working between different sites.
[This message has been edited by George Brown (edited March 16, 2001).]
Johannes de Jong
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Originally posted by George Brown:
I don't like open plan at all. I prefer free-range workplaces, jobs where you can roam, hotdesking at will and working between different sites.
We have something called "flex"-work places here. You get a small briefcase where your most essential papers/books/pens etc are kept in. We all have Ericsson mobile phones that only work inside the building. And the principle is that you grab the first available desk. Thats the principle. people tend to like their own space though and want the same desk everytime, nice fights we had here in the beginning
I hate it and all forms of open space. I want a wall where I can hang my sons latest school drawing of his picture, yes of my wife as well. Got a fantastic pen holder for christmas last year would look great on my "own" desk. Gee now its at home. were i cant see it everyday and admire it.
George Brown
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I used to work on various client sites in a previous job, and generally enjoyed that. It got to the stage when I spent much more time on client sites, and definitely preferred being onsite to being at the company offices. What's more, I knew the clients better than I knew many of my own colleagues (although I never lost sight of who I was working for). I never had a permanent desk in that job, just a permanent lap-top and a load of similar servers on each site. I didn't particularly miss not having a permanent desk, I could always change the wallpaper on the laptop
On the subject of cubes, it seems as though cubicles are favoured in the US more than here though.
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Not a bad idea, now if my notbook stops chrashing maybe I can put a picture of my son on as wallpaper
David Junta
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Joined: Dec 10, 2000
Posts: 86
I'm in a cube farm and I really don't like it at all. In the book "Generation X" the author referred to cubes as "veal fattening pens"...which seem appropriate. It just feels like you become a robot...person #23845 in row #354 in cube #814...and not a real person. I know there are open offices that promote that it is ok for people to goof off or surf non-work-related sites in the middle of the day, and when that is the case I think the lack of privacy would be more palatable. But if you're going to require workers to give up their private life by putting in hellish hours, the least you could do is give them a decent office....Jeez!!!
Madhav Lakkapragada
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Joined: Jun 03, 2000
Posts: 5040

I get distracted way too easily, so I like the cube farm.
Without this, my productivity is definetly affected.
Not for privacy or goofing around, which I feel I don't
do anyways!
regds.
- satya
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Joined: Jan 27, 2001
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Originally posted by David Junta:
."...which seem appropriate. It just feels like you become a robot...person #23845 in row #354 in cube #814...and not a real person.

Wonder if they store your location in a relational-database

[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited March 16, 2001).]
octavyn pittman
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Joined: Mar 06, 2001
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"What don't people like about working in these cubes, then?" -FC
Frank,
Sometimes an open environment like that can actually be better than the cube farm. Cubes offer an artificial sense of security and privacy that is easily and often disrupted by other employees, management and others. The fact that you can stand up and look over one seems nice until you are confronted with the obnoxious loud talking telephoner next cube over, the listener who is strangely silent during every conversation you have, etc. It really does persuade one to let ones guard down (call me paranoid) in a corporate world where there are often harsh penalties for those who trust too much.
Plus, the whole spatial hierarchy between managers with real offices, upper managers with huge offices, team leads with big cubes, and everyone else with little cubes constantly brings one down if one stays conscious of it.
Finally there is the temporary feeling cubes impart on workers, letting them know not to get too comfortable because they may have to pick up and move all their stuff to floor 8 because they are re-cubing the floor 6.
Just some gripes on cubes,
OP
Thomas Paul
mister krabs
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Originally posted by Johannes de Jong:
We have something called "flex"-work places here. You get a small briefcase where your most essential papers/books/pens etc are kept in. We all have Ericsson mobile phones that only work inside the building. And the principle is that you grab the first available desk. Thats the principle. people tend to like their own space though and want the same desk everytime, nice fights we had here in the beginning

Dilbert had a whole series making fun of this concept. Think of all the prodcutivity gains as people wander around looking for empty cubes. MicroSoft has a philosophy that everyone gets there own offices. Studies have shown that programmers get into a groove while programming that allows them to reach a high level of productivity but interruptions (like noisy neighbors) can quickly knock a programmer out of the groove. It can take 20-30 minutes to get back to where you were.


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Adalberto Altamirano
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My opinion regarding this that maybe Javaranch can ask at the beginning of the site if you want to see the it with cows/moose/roster etc or not
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Marilyn de Queiroz
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JavaRanch has no control over whether or not one person can see cows, etc. Either they are available for all to see, or they are not available at all. But each individual can control whether images are shown or not in their own browser.

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Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Dilbert had a whole series making fun of this concept. Think of all the prodcutivity gains as people wander around looking for empty cubes.

Must go and look on internet for them print them out and hang up on the walls.
By the way quote within a quote now works, did you change something Paul, or any other sherrif/bartender ??
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Johannes, to read Thomas' mind try to click edit button on his post. Not sure if "edit" thing works only for bartenders, hope everybody can enjoy.


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Thomas Paul
mister krabs
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"Joel on Software" has comments about wide open spaces: http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$75
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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I checked out "Joel on software" loved this :
.. or he could ask Jeff, which now takes 45 seconds and involves standing up (not an easy task given the average physical fitness of programmers!).

As for editing someone else's posting I thinks its a bit like going through their personal drawer, something I dont like doing . As an experiment it tried to edit yours however Mapraputa and I got this Sorry, but you are not authorized to perform this function. Use your Back button.
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited March 20, 2001).]
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Johannes, of course, you are not authorized to edit Mapraputa�s posting, I recommended to look at Thomas� posting.

As for editing someone else's posting I thinks its a bit like going through their personal drawer

You are 100% correct if you are going to actually change somebody�s message. Only imagine what a mess would be here if we could change each other messages. Mapraputa, for example, would spend hours erasing greenhorn messages content and putting "thank you, Mapraputa!" instead. Fortunately, unless you are a moderator of this particular forum you cannot change anybody�s post � only your own. Thus, Mapraputa cannot change Johannes� post, since she is not a JavaRanch forum moderator. However, welcome to SCJP forum and we will see what will happen to your posts!
Of course, sheriffs can change everything � they are almighty.
But I think you can view other folk post, no? That�s what I meant when saying about �edit� button. You do not have to hit submit button, just look and go back. How else, you think, we learn all those smart mark-up tricks?
[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited March 20, 2001).]
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Mapraputa.
Thanks for the tip. I however have already used the edit button before to learn from other peoples postings.
I however dont quit understand what you think I could have learned from Thomas's posting?
The url?
Thanks for the tip, but I've used that one extensively before in http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum19/HTML/000332.html
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Johannes... Sorry if I sounded patronizing. I was intoxicated by this wonderful discussion: what makes good replies?, Maha's advice to make reply useful for broader audience in particular. I enthusiasticlally applied this pattern last days and what I have back is: �Hey! Your post has nothing to do with my problem� and �you think I am SO dumb, so I need your primitive explanations?� I guess you have to be Maha Anna to make a good reply. Myself is not going to give up, though.
I saw your question: �By the way quote within a quote now works...� and reacted authomatically: couldn�t miss an opportunity to show less experienced people how to plagiarize appealing markup from somebody�s post.
I know, it is irritating when somebody works hard to explain you what you have figured out long ago. Well, at least, I enjoyed talking to you...
[This message has been edited by Mapraputa Is (edited March 20, 2001).]
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
I saw your question: �By the way quote within a quote now works...� and reacted authomatically: couldn�t miss an opportunity to show less experienced people how to plagiarize appealing markup from somebody�s post.
I know, it is irritating when somebody works hard to explain you what you have figured out long ago. Well, at least, I enjoyed talking to you...

And I enjoy talking to you.
My original comment regarding a quote with in a quote is that in the past if one quoted a posting that already had a quote in it it did not work. At least thats what happened to me. As for explaining something that I already know, you dont know what I already know, but its like a present, its the thought that counts
Thanks for your time
Thomas Paul
mister krabs
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I however dont quit understand what you think I could have learned from Thomas's posting?
Why, my brilliant thoughts and clever use of the language, what else?
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Why, my brilliant thoughts and clever use of the language, what else?

I'm sitting here al alone at work chuckling, thanks a nice way
to start my day
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to start my day???
it's about night here...
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Jim Yingst
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Why, my brilliant thoughts and clever use of the language, what else?

No, really, what was it?

[This message has been edited by Jim Yingst (edited March 22, 2001).]


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sangeetha sath
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Joined: Mar 22, 2001
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I was introduced to this site and i just couldn't resist registering.it is very helpful to both experienced programmers and learners like me.it helps to improve our java knowledge and i also love the way it's been designed.but the only clitch is we cannot download and have to be online for a long time
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Its morning in this time zone Mapraputa. Sorry but "if it's 8 am and a programmer is ALREADY working - that means he is STILL working" did not get a chuckle this morning, I've had to many fights because of my work, thanks anyway
Welcome "sangeetha sath"
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So, Johannes, who won in your fights anyway?
Johannes de Jong
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How can you ask such a question
youre a woman arent you ?, at least you were last time I checked youre site ,
Funny how these topics get a live of their own we are way off the original subject
 
 
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