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Gregg Bolinger
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What I would like to know is who uses Linux and only Linux for their desktop and also include what distro you use.
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Me. Microsoft-free for, oh, about five years now.
I still (at the moment) am using RedHat 7.3 on both my primary desktop and my laptop. My two servers are running RH9. The desktops will be moving to a new distro soon, as soon as I decide between going to Fedora Core, Debian, or SuSE.


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Gregg Bolinger
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Me. Microsoft-free for, oh, about five years now.
I still (at the moment) am using RedHat 7.3 on both my primary desktop and my laptop. My two servers are running RH9. The desktops will be moving to a new distro soon, as soon as I decide between going to Fedora Core, Debian, or SuSE.

Mandrake is not an option for you? I have RH9 and just downloaded MD9.2. Can't decide which to use. Kernel's a Kernel's a Kernel...
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Me. Microsoft-free for, oh, about five years now.
Sounds like an AA meeting.
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:

Mandrake is not an option for you?

I suppose it could be, but I don't know anything specific that would make it look better than the others I listed, and the whole Mandrake-financial-woes thing makes their future a little uncertain, so I guess that scared me off.
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Well, I just installed Mandrake 9.2 on my laptop in the time of my last post to now. Some of that time was backing up Windows files and configs, etc.
Some cool things to point out...
1. Mandrake 9.2 resized my Windows partician without losing windows data.
2. I did not have to go to NVidia and download drivers for my laptop display to work correclty
3. I did not have to go download drivers for my linksys wireless PCMCIA card to work correctly
4. KDE is performing a lot better than it did under RH9 (KDE same version)
All and all I am pretty impressed with this release. Still don't know if I can make the 100% switch though. Keeping that windows partician just in case for now.
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I have to agree with Gregg. I recently removed RH 9.0 and replaced it with Mandrake 9.2. I think the desktop looks better and KDE does seem to work a little better in Mandrake than it does in RH 9.0. I also did not have the nVidia problems, and it found all of my hardware. Overall, I think Mandrake 9.2 is a step up from RH 9.0. The only advantage I give to RH 9.0 that it was a little easier to install, and I only say that because I am new to Linux and had to install Mandrake 9.2 three times before I got it right (2 twice was my error). Otherwise, no complaints. Also, Mandrake's forums are incredibly helpful.
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Originally posted by James White:
I have to agree with Gregg. I recently removed RH 9.0 and replaced it with Mandrake 9.2. I think the desktop looks better and KDE does seem to work a little better in Mandrake than it does in RH 9.0. I also did not have the nVidia problems, and it found all of my hardware. Overall, I think Mandrake 9.2 is a step up from RH 9.0. The only advantage I give to RH 9.0 that it was a little easier to install, and I only say that because I am new to Linux and had to install Mandrake 9.2 three times before I got it right (2 twice was my error). Otherwise, no complaints. Also, Mandrake's forums are incredibly helpful.

What kind of problems made you have to reinstall 3 times? It worked first try for me.
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Well, I do everything except playing video game (Counter-Strike rules) on linux. If I can only stop playing video games .
P.S. DEBIAN RULES!!! I know what I have on my system at all time, do you ?
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I must say it was a very hard decision as to which to put on, and in fact I placed nearly every distro I could on, however with support being phased out on RH 8-9.0, and uncertainties as to how often critical updates would be available on Fedora, I opted for Mandrake.
Although Debian has a much more altruistic user agreement when it comes to support, I don't think Mandrake with their 8 Golden Rules is that much further behind: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/corporate/2446
Additionally, I'm piqued by MandrakeMove, their bootable distro that allows users to maintain their configuration set up with a USB key: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/mandrakemove/
In regards to being windows free, I do need a gaming box, and lets not forget the Java Golden Rule, Write once and test everywhere. Additionally I need the frustration of a blue screen or indiscriminate crash just to reinforce the joy of migrating away from mikerowesoft. Oops, guess they were right, their customers just might be confused
[ January 20, 2004: Message edited by: michael bradly ]
Gregg Bolinger
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mikerowesoft. Oops, guess they were right, their customers just might be confused
HA! I love it. I can't wait for when you type "microsoft" in Google, you get a "Do you mean MikeRoweSoft".
Daniel Roman
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using Red Hat 9.0 and Mandrake 9.2
i also try other distros from time to time
Arjun Shastry
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I to want ONLY linux on my laptop.I m trying to install RedHat/Mandrake on my laptop but its not happening yet.There is a problem with the hard disc.


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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Mandrake is not an option for you?

I downloaded the 3 ISOs for Mandrake 9.2, and tried to install them on an unused machine (dual Athlon 1800+). The installer would crash a short way into booting the Linux kernel. I tried every one of the alternate installs, and I tried the mem=XXXX kernel param, too. RedHat (7.3, 8.0. 9.0) and Fedora Core 1 all install fine on this machine.
It turns out that I have a bunch of customers who have those Athlon machines (good cost/benefit ratio when they were purchased about 2 years ago) and I need to pick a new OS for them, so it's not looking like Mandrake is an option. Web searches for dual Athlon install problems have turned up nothing. Anybody know anything?
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:

I downloaded the 3 ISOs for Mandrake 9.2, and tried to install them on an unused machine (dual Athlon 1800+). The installer would crash a short way into booting the Linux kernel. I tried every one of the alternate installs, and I tried the mem=XXXX kernel param, too. RedHat (7.3, 8.0. 9.0) and Fedora Core 1 all install fine on this machine.
It turns out that I have a bunch of customers who have those Athlon machines (good cost/benefit ratio when they were purchased about 2 years ago) and I need to pick a new OS for them, so it's not looking like Mandrake is an option. Web searches for dual Athlon install problems have turned up nothing. Anybody know anything?

You might look at this link and the answers at the bottom:
http://www-wireless.usenet-replayer.com/data/comp/os/linux/questions/10740.html
My first guess would be does Mandrake 9.2 support multiple processors out of the box? Seems this is something that has to be compiled into the kernel. I will do some more research and see if I can find out.
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I know for sure that RedHat always shipped with both single-processor and SMP kernels, and the RedHat installer knew which one to use. But I also know for sure that I've booted uniprocessor kernels on dual Intel machines, and that works (you only get one processor, of course.) Maybe you can't boot a dual Athlon with a uniprocessor kernel.
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Ah, OK. I should have thought more before posting. So I looked at the existing /etc/lilo.conf on the dual athlon machine and checked the boot parameters (mem=nopentium noapic) and used those to book the Mandrake installer. Worked like a charm. Mea culpa.
Alexis Sumalpong
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I use Suse 9 on my laptop and a webserver. My 2 kids ( 5 and 6 yrs old ) use also Suse 9 on their desktops.


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michael bradly
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Originally posted by alexis sumalpong:
I use Suse 9 on my laptop and a webserver. My 2 kids ( 5 and 6 yrs old ) use also Suse 9 on their desktops.

Hmmmm... when I was 5 and 6 I only had crayons and paste on my desktop...
Jeroen Wenting
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I had Linux (Debian 3) on my laptop until last weekend when I finally killed the installation and reinstalled Windows 2000 Pro.
It had NEVER worked correctly, despite over half a year of near constant tinkering.
Videodrivers, network card, USB, never worked properly.
Screen would become corrupted constantly, and getting network, USB and screen to all work at the same time was quite impossible.
Installed Windows 2000 and everything works perfectly in less than half an hour...
Before you come on with excuses that Linux hardware support is often slow for new hardware, this is a 4 year old laptop with a network card that's supposedly Linux compatible (it even comes with Linux drivers but those refuse to work with the current glibc and there are no up to date ones available anywhere).
So I've abandoned Linux once again (take 3...). It's still sitting on an old P200 I sometimes use for experiments, but I am considering reinstalling Windows 95 on that for some old games...


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Yes, installing debian on a labtop (mine is inspiron 2100) is a pain in the ass. It took me almost two weeks, and compiled the kernel about seven times to get it to work.
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Debian is the only major distribution without a proper installer, and without any commercial support, and I suspect that's the lion's share of your problem. Debian is a "do it yourself" distribution, and unless you enjoy doing it yourself, better to use another distro -- one with commercial support,if you need it.
In any event, recent RedHats (7.3 and up) install out-of-the-box on any Dell laptop I've ever tried them on -- Dell hardware is really just vanilla run-of-the-mill stuff.
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Debian is the only major distribution without a proper installer, and without any commercial support, and I suspect that's the lion's share of your problem. Debian is a "do it yourself" distribution, and unless you enjoy doing it yourself, better to use another distro -- one with commercial support,if you need it.
In any event, recent RedHats (7.3 and up) install out-of-the-box on any Dell laptop I've ever tried them on -- Dell hardware is really just vanilla run-of-the-mill stuff.

True enough. The only problem I have ever had with my Dell laptop is the video drivers. Mandrake 9.2 was no problem at all however. I still went to Nvidia and installed their drivers though so I could get OpenGL support.
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Debain is definitely a DIY type distro. As a long time debian user, I have gotten used to the whole process. My biggest complain with Redhat and Mandrake, is that it install tremendous amount of programs that I don't know about. There is no way I can possibly do select individual packages thru the installer.
Peronally, I think debian or its similar (Gentoo, etc) is the next logical steps for users who are fmailar with linux. I rather spend the time and effort at the beginning and do a proper (depends on personal preferences) system than spend time trying to figure out what redhat and mandrake installed on my system.
Ultimately, regardless what system/distro you use, learn from command line as much as you can, and soon you'll be really know which distro is the best.
DEBIAN!!!
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I used to feel more like Adrian when I was younger and had more time, and back in the days when you'd keep a system for a few years. Nowadays, things turn over so quickly, and there are just so many cool things out there, that despite the fact that once, long ago, a friend and I made our own distro, nowadays I just want something standard that I can install and forget. Unpack a new machine, jam in CD#1, and be back to normal within the hour.
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
I used to feel more like Adrian when I was younger and had more time, and back in the days when you'd keep a system for a few years. Nowadays, things turn over so quickly, and there are just so many cool things out there, that despite the fact that once, long ago, a friend and I made our own distro, nowadays I just want something standard that I can install and forget. Unpack a new machine, jam in CD#1, and be back to normal within the hour.

AMEN! And what's the big deal about some extra apps sitting there not doing anything. Disk space isn't really a cause these days. Plus, I get when I go to install something and I have to spend an hour installing required libraries and crap. I'd rather everything just be there. I can take off what I don't use later.
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Ahahhaaa... Ernest, you sound old I think for anyone who's really looking forward as to learning a system, nothing beats doing from debian. I also think learning Linux from scratch is pretty cool too. O, well, in debian.
apt-get update
apt-cache search libXXX
apt-get install libXXX
problem resolve.
Jeroen Wenting
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I tried Mandrake and Suse but their installers wouldn't even run on the machine...
As long as Linux cannot match Windows in userfriendliness (installation, configuration should be hasslefree) and performance (many Linux applications are an order of magnitude slower than equivalent Windows applications, especially GUI apps) I'm through with trying.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
I tried Mandrake and Suse but their installers wouldn't even run on the machine...
As long as Linux cannot match Windows in userfriendliness (installation, configuration should be hasslefree) and performance (many Linux applications are an order of magnitude slower than equivalent Windows applications, especially GUI apps) I'm through with trying.

Thats true with SUSE linux atleast. Everything is noticeably, comparitively slow. Makes it tough to recommend the switch.
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:

As long as Linux cannot match Windows in userfriendliness (installation, configuration should be hasslefree)

Well, I have very little knowledge of linux, and have done most of my development on Windows. But, I almost all the time had a linux partition on my pc, and every few months, when the bug bites me, I install linux on it and play around a bit.
I have never had any problems with installing linux, except the very first time around 3 years ago when I tried to install RH 7. I played around with mandrake a bit, and now I have RH 9. The only problem I had was not getting my modem to work. But it is an internal modem, and I am told that external modems are no problem.
Recently, I started on a new job, and they use linux (suse), and when on the weekend I booted up my windows pc, I had this funny realization that I had switched to using linux full on without even noticing.


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Ajeet Jose
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I tried redhat 7.3, 9 and Mandrake 9.1, 9.2, suse 7.0, 8.0 in the past 36 months with an idea of 100% linux work station.
My requirements on my good old PIII 450 MHz / 512 MB was to run..
+ WebSphere ( Weblogic, Tomcat ..not at the same time)
+ DB2 ( Oracle, SAP DB, mysql ..not at the same time)
+ WSAD ( eclipse, ..,,...)
+ Optimizeit
+ Togather
+ CVS
+ other tools and libs
But each time i am fed up with performance ( ofcourse i can not expect much from my pc)
Then I return back to Win 2000 with better performance (eventhough I hate the deadly virus security problems)
I am going to give another try with Mandrake 9.2 on a new Athlon XP 3000 PC..
Alan Salewski
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:

I downloaded the 3 ISOs for Mandrake 9.2, and tried to install them on an unused machine (dual Athlon 1800+). The installer would crash a short way into booting the Linux kernel. I tried every one of the alternate installs, and I tried the mem=XXXX kernel param, too. RedHat (7.3, 8.0. 9.0) and Fedora Core 1 all install fine on this machine.
It turns out that I have a bunch of customers who have those Athlon machines (good cost/benefit ratio when they were purchased about 2 years ago) and I need to pick a new OS for them, so it's not looking like Mandrake is an option. Web searches for dual Athlon install problems have turned up nothing. Anybody know anything?


I've been running Debian on a dual Athlon 1800+ box without any problems for nearly two years.
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Originally posted by Alan Salewski:


I've been running Debian on a dual Athlon 1800+ box without any problems for nearly two years.

Welcome to JavaRanch, Alan!
Got mine running too -- had to boot the installer with "mem=nopentium noapic"; you didn't read the whole thread before responding!
 
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