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New Aluminum iMacs...?

marc weber
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Apple has apparently confirmed the unveiling of new iMacs on August 7, according to Think Secret and Apple Insider. The rumors are that the new iMacs will be brushed aluminum with 20" or 24" monitors (no 17").

Hmmm... Combined with the new OS in October, I'm not sure I'll be able to resist.


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Originally posted by marc weber:
I'm not sure I'll be able to resist.


Resistance is, after all, futile.


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marc weber
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
... Resistance is, after all, futile.

It really is. I may as well set up an automatic payroll deduction for my Apple account. :roll:
Ashok Mash
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Sounds nice! I wonder if they will have flash / solid state disks!


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I wish they made a black one...
marc weber
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Originally posted by Unnsse Khan:
I wish they made a black one...

Yeah, then it would look like a Dell! :roll:
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Have you see how incredibly thin the new iMacs are? They are now indistinguishable from a monitor.



And w00t! Finally, iLife and iWork updated. Order already in!
[ August 07, 2007: Message edited by: Bear Bibeault ]
marc weber
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Beautiful! How does someone look at this and say, "Nah, I think I would rather have a big Dell box running Vista instead"?

I'm really curious how those new keyboards feel.
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Originally posted by marc weber:
Beautiful! How does someone look at this and say, "Nah, I think I would rather have a big Dell box running Vista instead"?


Some people get themselves hooked on drugs as well. Some things are just inexplicable.

I'm really curious how those new keyboards feel.


Me too. I'm skeptical, but willing to give 'em a try!
marc weber
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Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
... I'm skeptical, but willing to give 'em a try!

I'm with you: A little skeptical, but optimistic.

Early comments in response to a leaked keyboard photo were surprisingly hostile. But I usually prefer flat laptop keyboards (especially the PowerBooks and MacBook Pros), so...
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Me too, I'd love to hear from someone who test drives the new keyboard.
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A friend of mine is about to buy a new computer. Her rationale for another Windows machine: "My slot machine game doesn't come in a Mac version." So I made the suggestion, "If that's all your computer is for, maybe you should consider buying a real slot machine instead." :roll: Seriously, I pointed out that there are probably plenty of slot machine games available for Mac, and once she sees these, she won't look back. Besides, it's not like Vista is friendly with old Windows software anyway, so the chances of that game running on a new Windows machine...
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"My slot machine game doesn't come in a Mac version."


Why do we not have a smilie for jaw-dropping-onto-floor?
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Fortunately for me the only game I play runs great on a Mac. Unfortunately, I can't afford one at this time.


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Michael Matola
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OK, so the lowdown on the keyboard is <...>

Oh, wait. The two nearest Apple stores have the new iMacs for sale, but not yet on display until tomorrow.

At least I had the presence of mind to call the second store to find out instead of, say, just stopping by the first store today during my lunch hour and finding no new stuff on display.

If this hasn't tipped folks off, I'm in the market for a new computer and have been waiting months for the new iMacs. (Should I still do an "I've switched" post when I've done the deed?)

My wife and I both have had repetitive motion injuries from computer input (keyboard and pointing devices) and some logistical stupidity involving the desk the new computer's supposed to go on, so I'm pretty interested in trying out the new keyboard before purchasing.
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I already check out the keyboard and the new iMac at the UTC Mall in La Jolla, CA.

Feedback:

1. Keyboard rocks!

2. Everything about it is truly amazing.

3. The only bad thing is the glossy display (it has a lot of reflections).

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Originally posted by Michael Matola:
Should I still do an "I've switched" post when I've done the deed?

Absolutely! We all need a chance to ohh and ahhh over your new purchase!
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Originally posted by Unnsse Khan:
1. Keyboard rocks!
Cool! Does it feel like a laptop keyboard, or something completely different?
Michael Matola
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Spent about a half hour today playing around with new iMacs at the Apple store.

My impression of the keyboard is that in general it feels a lot like the current MacBook keyboard.

But several things do contribute to its feeling slightly more desktoppy than laptoppy:

(1) the keys are not as rubbery as the MacBook's
(2) it's slightly raked
(3) it's full width
(4) no dreaded laptop "rest your hands here" dead space.

It does seem to require slightly more precise finger placement than other desktop keyboards I've used (more laptoppy in that regard, I guess).

Of course standing at the store isn't a good trial; few people type standing. I would have asked for a chair from the bar, but they were all in use.

I absolutely agree with everyone who's said that the machines look better in person. I'm still not sold on the glossy display. You'd think they'd do something about the lights in the store to cut down the glare. The fact that the monitor part is black and aluminum and the keyboard and mouse are white and aluminum is a little odd, but not the outrage that I've heard elsewhere. I guess my design sensibilities are not so delicate as to be offended. (Plus, my keyboard and pointing device will likely be hidden away in a drawer.)
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Originally posted by Michael Matola:
I guess my design sensibilities are not so delicate as to be offended.


LOL, the "old school" Mac crowd tend to be very vocal about design issues. They bitch and moan the loudest when they're standing in line to buy the very thing that they're bitching about.

Me, I just think it's gorgeous.

But it could look like a sooty brick and I'd buy it as long as it ran OS X.
[ August 09, 2007: Message edited by: Bear Bibeault ]
marc weber
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Originally posted by Michael Matola:
... The fact that the monitor part is black and aluminum and the keyboard and mouse are white and aluminum is a little odd, but not the outrage that I've heard elsewhere...

Well, you can't please everyone, and those who are displeased tend to be the loudest.

To me, the white keys and mouse retain Apple's clean look, and a black border around a bright monitor makes perfect sense (while neatly concealing the webcam). Besides, black and white are classic together -- especially now that we have a silver/gray case.
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Three pages of photos of a new iMac disassembled.
Michael Matola
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Order in.

Regarding the design (and spec) enthusiasts. Yeah, I hear you. I've been reading the Apple rumor sites and forums for the last few months, getting ready to make my purchase. Lots of interesting ideas and opinions, but I often come away from those places sort of unhappy and agitated. I think some of those folks could suck all the fun out of buying a new computer for me, if I wasn't careful not to let them.
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Congrats on your order!

And yeah, I just shake my head at people who will argue for days about the shade of gray used for the bodies, or the whole brushed-metal vs Aqau debate, or the order of the buttons in Mail.app... who cares?

But passion begets stridency, I suppose.

So what's the specs of your new order? Those of us who won't be buying new Macs for some time need to live vicariously through you.
marc weber
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I read the rumor articles, but I try to avoid the opinions that usually follow.

I have to admit that aesthetic details do matter to me, but it's nothing I'm going to argue at length. Besides, I think Apple generally makes good decisions in this realm. They obviously place a lot of emphasis -- and spend a lot of money -- on refining a distinct, sophisticated look that helps define them as a brand. The problem is that any time you "think different," a lot of people aren't going to get it. It would be safer to avoid challenging anyone and just make everything black (like certain PCs), but that hardly conveys innovation.
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Specs
20-inch, 2.4GHz iMac. Bumped the memory up to 2GB and the hard drive up to 500GB.
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Sweet!
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Cool, Michael! Looking forward to hearing your impressions after you use it for a bit.

Enjoy.
marc weber
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Originally posted by Michael Matola:
Specs
20-inch, 2.4GHz iMac. Bumped the memory up to 2GB and the hard drive up to 500GB.

Very nice! That's exactly the one I have my eye on, bumped to 2 GB (although I would probably leave the stock hard drive).
marc weber
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I was at a store where they had a new 20" aluminum iMac sitting next to an old 17" iMac (similar to what I'm in front of right now), so I got a real side-by-side comparison. It would definitely be a step up.

Basically, I agree with what Michael said:
  • The machines look better in person -- even thinner than I expected.
  • The screen is very glare prone, but the image is sharp!
  • I was afraid the keyboard might just feel "weird," but I was pleasantly surprised (despite standing while typing). It's more of a laptop feel in terms of a flatter surface with less key movement, but I suspect that after a brief period of getting used to it, I would really like it. It looks fantastic!
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    I stood at a new iMac the other day too, just to try out the keyboard.

    When I got my MacBook Pro some months ago, I looked hard for a keyboard that felt more "laptoppy", but more like my old Tibook than the new MBP. For some reason that was more comfortable for me, maybe just because I used it more. Anyway, I ended up with a macally ikeyslim, low profile and more complete layout than the MBP. It has a kind of "plastic" feel to it though.

    After test writing the new iMac keyboard, I'm very tempted by it. It feels solid, and has a light, quick touch. It makes me feel like I can type faster. The price is pretty nice too.
    marc weber
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    Originally posted by Pauline McNamara:
    ... It makes me feel like I can type faster...

    It can make a huge difference. Last year I tested my typing speed using different keyboards (averaging 3 trials on each keyboard), and I was almost 20 words per minute faster on my PowerBook keyboard compared to my IBM keyboard at work. My iMac keyboard fell in between these.
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    I'm tempted to write a way long post here... he he, my new keyboard just arrived.

    So far so good, but so far I haven't typed much more than I got to in the the store. I really like the solid feel and light touch, a big improvement over the "plasticky" feeling of my previous keyboard. It's nice and quiet, too, in comparison.

    Off to write a few dozen letters or hundreds of lines of code, or some such huge typing chore. Or I could write lines like we used to have to for the teacher:
    it's a tool not a toy.
    it's a tool not a toy.
    it's a tool not a toy...

    yippeeee!
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    marc weber
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    Originally posted by Pauline McNamara:
    ...I really like the solid feel and light touch, a big improvement over the "plasticky" feeling of my previous keyboard. It's nice and quiet, too, in comparison...

    Good to hear! I really think I would like those too. I much prefer a "laptop feel" to the clunkier desktops.

    I imagine these keyboards would work on a Windows machine, wouldn't they? It would be kinda cool to have one of these at work. (Just USB -- not Bluetooth.)
    Pauline McNamara
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    I imagine that would work, it's just a USB connection. Not sure whether you'd need to remap some keys, though.

    A real catch might be the software (!) that you need to install. Before installing it, my keyboard was recognized right away after connecting. But there was one essential key combination that wasn't working (cmd + > to change docs within an app). After installing the keyboard software it worked fine. I wasn't going to bother installing the software, but then that issue came up, so there it is.

    This review might be of interest, he's done what you're thinking of:
    http://www.danstechreviews.com/?p=28
    marc weber
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    Originally posted by marc weber:
    A friend of mine is about to buy a new computer. Her rationale for another Windows machine: "My slot machine game doesn't come in a Mac version."...

    Yesterday she asked me what my PowerBook looked like, so I described the clean, sleek, satin-finish metal design, and she responded, "Oh, so it looks like a Dell."
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    Originally posted by marc weber:
    she responded, "Oh, so it looks like a Dell."

    You never mentioned that she was blind.
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    Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
    ... You never mentioned that she was blind.

    If only it were that simple.
     
     
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