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Stan James
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Any GWT experience or stories? We have some hand-made AJAX style stuff, but I'm interested in getting into it in a bigger way with an open library. Alan Holub went off on Prototype and Dojo and the like - he hates JavaScript and what he thought was less than professional code, but he liked GWT. It sounds like cool stuff and Google has a certain weight.


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Eric Pascarello
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GWT writes the JavaScript for you, not like you are avoiding JavaScript. People that used GWT said it was supper buggy. I never used it or looked at it.

People that do not like JavaScript are people that do not understand it in my opinion. It is powerful once you understand it. If you try to compare it to something else, of course you will hate it. It is not perfect.


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I played with it a little, then decided to wait until it was a little more stable. And yes, anyone who says they hate Javascript but like GWT is sorta talking out both sides of their mouths (unless they mean that they hate writing Javascript, rather than using Javascript).


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Stan James
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Ok, I'll be more specific: I hate the tools I have to work in JavaScript. No code formatter, autocomplete, syntax check, debugger. JS is a pretty sophisticated language with some things Java can't touch; with the right tools I might be a fan.

GWT might be the kind of tool that means I rarely even look at my JavaScript. Buggy doesn't surprise me; it's beta. If Google starts using it to build their own sites I might be confident enough to use it in real life.

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Eric Pascarello
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Stan,

I can tell you have not used firebug on Firefox.

Most of the newer ides have better JavaScript support.

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It is very very hard to implement something really great and fast using javascript. JS has been created as helper language that adds interactive behaviour to HTML page. We have a project that involves 95% of javascript and 5% of html code. And my opinion that javascript is not good as a main language of a project: OOP is very poor(polymorphism and inheritance are compicated), namespaces not available without trick and no modules visibility and dependency.


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Stan James
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I can tell you have not used firebug on Firefox.


Quite right. Stuck with IE at work.
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I would tell your company you need Firefox to do your job more efficiently.

console.log is my firend, you can set debug points and tons of other things. There is an inspector on it so you can step through code to figure out what div is screwing up your layout.

If you can't, then I would find a new job....lol

Eric
 
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