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Problems with "Jobs Offered Forum"

John Coxey
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Joined: Oct 24, 2000
Posts: 503
To JavaRanch Administrators:
- Can someone clean-up the "Jobs Offered Forum".
- Seems that people are posting "huge" resume's to nearly every job posting - and then two or three people start "flaming" that person for the post.
- I understand the frustration. You see a job that specifically states "No H1B" and yet there are 4 or 5 resumes that state "need H1B sponsorship".
- We need to act like professionals - especially in this particular forum. And thus my concern.
- Perhaps, someone could include a "do not post resume's on this forum" message along with the requirements recruiters are to follow. Also, could the forum coordinator go in and delete the resume's posted or some such.
Any other opinions/suggestions in helping improve this particular forum?
Thanks,
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)
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Here are some links: You can see the problem:
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001025.html http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001030.html

[This message has been edited by John Coxey (edited August 18, 2001).]


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Vishakha Ahuja
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Joined: Sep 13, 2000
Posts: 191
I agree with John.
Also, there's another problem with that forum : People post entries for "jobs wanted" in this forum. I don't think they even know the difference b/w "offered" and "wanted". This is highly unprofessional.
Michael Finney
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Joined: Jan 25, 1999
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http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001037.html
Resumes are allowed in response to job postings.
Yes, people should post the correct things in the correct forum.
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John Coxey
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The bottom line is that I think the "Jobs Offered" forum should stay professional and not be a place for flame wars.
It's tough enough getting employers interested these days. I have had some great job leads from this particular discussion area and don't want to see recruiters/companies taking their business elsewhere. Or worse yet, just chucking the whole idea of hiring junior level Java folks.
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Manjunath Subramanian
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Joined: Jul 18, 2001
Posts: 236

Hello All,
I fully agree with john.
Most of the time the recruiter leaves his/her email
along with the details.This can only mean she is expecting the
aspirants to mail it to her.Unlike us i don't think he/she is
going to visit the Jobs offerd forum every other day to check
out the resumes.Moreover resumes of some experienced guys are
so long that it looks ugly!!SO i think posting of resumes in
the forum should not be allowed.

regards,
Manjunath
paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
Posts: 20636
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Some good points.
It seems that postings about jobs and replies where people discuss those jobs are appropriate. Arguing about who should say what should be in the JavaRanch forum.
While past policy has made it okay to post resumes here, perhaps it is time to reconsider. Michael, what do you think?

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Thomas Paul
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I think the resumes should be removed and replaced with a short note that resumes should be e-mailed to the person who posted the job offering.


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Jim Yingst
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OK, I'm not a regular on the "Jobs" forums, so take this with a grain of salt... but isn't this the difference between Jobs Offered and Jobs Wanted? I don't see why resumes should be posted at all in Jobs Offered. Are people unable to use e-mail? Do some employers in Jobs Offered actually ask that resumes be posted rather than e-mailed? I can't see who this would benefit - it just seems to confuse the purpose of both forums. What is the rationale for allowing posted resumes in Jobs Offered?

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Thomas Paul
mister krabs
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I wouldn't even post my resume in Jobs Wanted. A short note describing your basic qualifications and what kind of job you wanted along with an offer to send a resume to anyone interested would probably be more effective.
Michael Finney
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I have read these and am weighing the pros and cons.
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Michael Finney
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Posts: 508
http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001052.html
Resume posting is no longer allowed at Jobs Offered.

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