Well, if you look at the top of this page, you see the statement: This forum is intended for questions and comments about this web site, www.javaranch.com. It is not for questions about the Java language - that's what all our other forums are for. And if you look at just about any other page on the ranch right now, you see the statement This Week we are giving away four copies of the book "Professional Java Security". To qualify for the drawing, participate in our Other Java APIs forum! And the best part... The Authors, Jess Garms and Daniel Somerfield, will be online to answer your questions! For details, check out JavaRanch Book Promotions Together, these are big clues that the Other Java APIs forum would be a much better place to ask this question. Sorry to be testy, but as you see we seem to have a recurring problem with people not paying attention to their surroundings.