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PMP and MBA ?

Rohan Dhruva
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Hi authors and others,

I hope my question is not too weird, but I was wondering - is there any relationship between a PMP and an MBA ? I know one is a certification, and the other a degree, but what other similarities and differences do they have ?
Is PMP complementary, or does it add to the value of MBA ? Or diametrically opposite, would PMP be a substitute for MBA, for a person who has been a project manager from a long time but does not have the time / inclination to pursue MBA degree ?

Thanks !


Rohan B. Dhruva
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Billy Tsai
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There are some project managers out there with MBA and PMP but no technical background whom has very poor self, emotional and temper control. often lashes out at team members when under pressure. Has no respect for technical personnel and think everything is so easy to do. Also has no understanding in the methodology in an IT project.
[ December 04, 2007: Message edited by: Billy Tsai ]

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Cai DongShan
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PMP:
* � Applicants must have 35 hours of specific project management education.
* � With a Bachelor�s Degree (or the global equivalent): Applicants must have a minimum three years� professional project management experience, during which 4,500 hours are spent leading and directing project tasks, up to eight years from the time of application.
* � Without a Bachelor�s Degree (or the global equivalent): Applicants must have a minimum five years� professional project management experience, during which at least 7,500 hours are spent leading and directing project tasks, up to eight years from the time of application.


MBA: no management experience required.


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Paul Michael
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MBA - Managing Businesses?
PMP - Managing Projects/Software Teams?

I don't see any direct relationship. But I guess there will be some set of similar principles in terms of managing people among others.


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Cai DongShan
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Both MBA and PMP require general management skills (planning, accounting, and etc) and interpersonal skills (leadership, motivating, communicating, and etc).
Billy Tsai
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well thing is that some of the PM i mentioned in my previous post has very poor interpersonal skills, showed no real leadership and never ever motivated any of the technical team members and sometimes use verbal insults on programmers which caused very low team morale
Pradeep bhatt
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Who verifies the project management hours experience ?


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Rohan Dhruva
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Haha Pradip nice question .. I was wondering the same thing !
Cai DongShan
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Pradip,
Who verifies the project management hours experience ?

PMI randomly check the information you submitted.
Pradeep bhatt
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Originally posted by Cai DongShan:
Pradip,

PMI randomly check the information you submitted.


Can you provide more details. Do they contact companies to verify the claims ?
Hema Menon
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PMI randomly selects certain applications for audit. If selected for Audit, you are required to provide proofs of experience and education, which includes experience certificates from the employers that you have used and educational qualification information.


~hm
Cai DongShan
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From PMP handbook
During an audit, candidates will be asked to submit supporting documentationm, such as copies of their diploma/global equivalent, signatures of their supervisor(s) or manager(s) from the projects(s) documented on the Experience Verification Forms, and copies of certificates or letters from the training institute(s) for each course submitted to meet the required 35 contact hours of project management education.
Edvins Reisons
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Joined: Dec 11, 2006
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Originally posted by Hema Menon:
PMI randomly selects certain applications for audit.


To me, this random audit, especially when the probability of "random"
is not specified , means that a person who shows up with a PMI
certificate has most likely not been checked against all those
formal prerequisites.
Svend Rost
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Joined: Oct 23, 2002
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Hi Rohan,

An MBA and the PMP certification are two different things. The one is concerned with business administration, and the other project management.

Ask yourself: What is my goal? You dont need an MBA to be a project manager.
 
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