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Tualha Khan
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Joined: Nov 22, 2000
Posts: 287
Dear All,
A very SAD Hey!!
I was literaly in tears today when a recruitement agency in new delhi, told me that java is gone now, it's dead. He says i should switch to some other technology if i need to be in the market. he says the in things are microsoft's VB.Net and XML.
I am very very upset!!

can somebody please tell me what should I do?
Tualha Khan

SCJP2, BEA WLS 6.0, DB2 UDB 7.1
mahesh jhamtani

Joined: Jan 12, 2001
Posts: 11
Let me give you solution....
Don't do anything....
What you are going to do will also be dead in a couple of months.
Try to do something different then IT.
Which will remain alive forever.
Let us know which will be alive forever.....
Tualha Khan
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Joined: Nov 22, 2000
Posts: 287
Mr Mahesh,
I hope you are already doing a job in some part of the planet. Please be in my position and start afresh and search for a very basic job. You will see what the recruiters have to offer to you. NOTHING!!!
I have cleared SCJP2 and I was shocked to know that searching a job in java is as difficult as anything. I have not yet had any calls and switching the technology simply sends chills in my spine. It takes a lot of time to learn a new thing.
I agree, that everything will be over sooner or later, but it feels bad when you have done a thing whole heartedly and suddenly people start saying that it's obsolete.
I am an absolute nervous wreck at times when I see that I am out of job even after being a good programmer (fresher although) and an SCJP2.
I felt really hurt!
Tualha Khan
varsha mhaskar

Joined: Jan 09, 2001
Posts: 15
Well, Its true that Java is dead, and there is no market for java.
But for getting job, it all depends on how much experience do you have, what is your educational background and lot many other things. Just by doing java certification nobody should expect to secure a good job. Well you should also have experience on other technologies as well.
My suggestion to Tualha is you try to find some freelance project, do it sincerely and after getting sufficient confidence apply for job and put that experience in your Resume.
I hope this will help.
Kevin Yip
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Joined: Oct 17, 2000
Posts: 110
Java is dead?
Yes, Microsoft says it everyday...
mahesh jhamtani

Joined: Jan 12, 2001
Posts: 11
Tualha :
I was not trying to discourage you.
I am not agree with you that java is dead.
Don't believe on those recruiters.
participate in some open source project.
Keep on trying to get entry level job.
It is difficult to enter in the market, but not impossible.
Hard work always bring success.
Goodluck to your jobsearch.
Harpal Singh
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Joined: Oct 10, 2000
Posts: 229
Dear Tualha,
Dead will be guys who say java is dead......I was in USA for couple of months on a project....beleive me.....Java is very very powerfull......I know companies which were using other technologies...than java where forced to switch to java by their financers...it was clearly told no java no finance.....bullshit..java is dead....this all is nonsense....I guess this is just another rumour started by one of the microsoft guys.....
what I would suggest is work on advanced technologies in Java and try try and try for jobs u will get sooner or later....because if u stop or loose confidence..u have lost half the battle...
[This message has been edited by Harpal Singh (edited March 02, 2001).]
Tony Alicea

Joined: Jan 30, 2000
Posts: 3226
As the Enlightened, Also Son Of God and American Genius Jimi Hendrix communicated to us westeners via his music in 1968: "You Can't Believe Everything You See Or Hear, Can You?!" (Axis: Bold As Love).
Tualha Khan: PLEASE, tell us your level of University degree and experience in Computer Programming.
BTW, I assume that the news you heard are about India only, right?

Tony Alicea
Senior Java Web Application Developer, SCPJ2, SCWCD
Tualha Khan
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Joined: Nov 22, 2000
Posts: 287
Dear All,
I have seen all the posts to this query and now I am very much relieved. Thanks to EVERYBODY!!! You all have helped me in accessing my current situation. I was so panicked, I could not sleep well last to last night.
Now, I am absolutely in control, thanks to everybody once again. I am a commerce graduate from Delhi University, and currently enrolled for an MCA course from an open university. As of now, I am learning XML, J2EE+weblogic, furthermore, I will hone my skill in Oracle 8i as well. Lets see, where my share of cake is baked.
Once again thanks a lot, you all have helped a lot.
Tualha Khan
nitin bhatia

Joined: Mar 04, 2001
Posts: 1
I think this is nothing but media stunt.This hype was created because there has been a fall in the stocks in US so the losers (in the dotcom world)have flushed out a lot of people
.We can say that dotcomsare dead but java is so powerful that it can't vanish from the market so easily.One needs to have the right degree and then the right experience to stay in the market which was not the case with the people who were thrown out.A lot of them had done small time courses in java and had left for US.so if one needs to reach some heights he needs to have the right degrees and then the right knowledge to be in the market.
pete hesse
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Joined: Aug 29, 2000
Posts: 44
I've seen this before, believe me, it's just a marketing trick.
Some recruiters have an arrogant opinion that if they cannot place an individual in a certain technology, then that technology is "dead". Most of the time it's their own shortcomings as recruiters that is the problem. So their solution is to push candidates to get training in a technology that they can place them in (and preferably get experience too).
Don't believe it! I suggest you find another recruiter who will work harder for you. Java is certainly not dead, at least in the USA.
Good luck to you.
Pragya Prakash
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Joined: Sep 18, 2000
Posts: 42
Don't get discouraged by this rude recruiters words...
I don't know, how much they know about the market. Try to work with multiple recruiters and don't rely on just one of them.
Keep on applying and giving interviews. Be positive and articulate.
Also, get some knowledge about RDBMS databases and XML.
Best Of Luck!
Kevin Cary
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Joined: Jan 24, 2001
Posts: 53
Hello All:
I'm working towards the SCJP2. I have spoken to a lot of Recruiters in California, US and one thing always seem to ring true. Recruiters define the world based on what their needs are. If a Recruiter has lots of openings for VP programmmers then that is the hottest thing on the planet.
Shan Karawita
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 83
Don't worry guys....

Java will never going to be dead....

It's really immortal....
But people who are loving sily microsoft technologies are really wishing the end of the Java.But it's not realistic.Microsoft cannot even think about to touch the enterprise market like Java has done.
So be .... Java is not going to die...
[This message has been edited by Shan Karawita (edited March 07, 2001).]
Zoe Peng
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Joined: Nov 27, 2000
Posts: 112
I heard the different results..
technology for .Net is similar like Java
VB6 is totally differnet than .Net
so..VB6 is dead...Net-->you can switch to Java
I think VB6 programmer need to be upset..not us, right?
Shan Karawita
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 83
Dear All,
Is .Net going to be a threat to Java ? I don't think so.Since the developer community having this powerful pure platform independence language 'JAVA' , why they need another 'weak' conceptual language like 'C#'.Are all the programmers going to embark to it like blinds ?As a programmer I don't want to thing about another language since I can do almost everything with JAVA.My opinion is .Net is going to be .Not since it is not going to be a pure platform independence thing.As I heard it suports only for the Microsoft platforms.
So don't worry.....
Java is immortal....
Sameer Jamal
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Joined: Feb 16, 2001
Posts: 1870
Well every one is saying that java is dead and the news at the front page of Times of India also gives some oil to this fire but neither Java is dead nor it will remain immortal thing is that we IT people should have to be updated with new technologies. I have also seen VB 7.0 but I dont believe that it will take over Java but Java alone cannot be sufficient XML and Oracle are the support for Java so professionals should also be familiar with these technologies. And I want to tell you that future is of component based technology and Java is the only language which can support that.
Roseanne Zhang
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Joined: Nov 14, 2000
Posts: 1953
And I want to tell you that future is of component based technology and Java is the only language which can support that.

Even I'm a big fan and advocater of Java, but the second half of the above statement is too wrong to be ignored. Sorry!
Here is an email I sent to one of our newest SCJD in India. I think I would share with you:
From roseanne's mailbox:
Congratulations! You are SCJD now.
Future of Java? I don't know. I can tell you my opinion, but not necessary correct.
1) Language comes and goes, it is normal, I know about 10 languages, some of them are gone. Some are still alive.
2) Java is not dead, absolutely not now, probably not in next 5-10 years. After that, it will be gone gradually.
3) As an IT professional, it is high quality always ready to learn a new lanuage, new technologies and enjoy doing that.
4) Java was so steam hot, and Java professionals have higher quality than Microsoft ones, we help each others a lot. As a side effect, we created more supplies.
5) More people knows Java now. It temporarily causes unexperienced Java programmer not in demand.
6) From my observation, India IT market is affected by US IT market in a little magnified way. That is why the story you heard is a little more scary.
7) Keep a positive attitude in any situation. I really mean in any situation!!!
Best regards!

[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited March 10, 2001).]
Roseanne Zhang
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Joined: Nov 14, 2000
Posts: 1953
If you are interested about to whom I sent to:
It is one of the people honorablely listed here: http://members.spree.com/education/developergrp/
Vernon Gibson
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Joined: Dec 01, 2000
Posts: 35
Fear not!
Java is as dead as cobol. And here in NY cobol is anything but dead! As a matter of fact I've recently seen postings for Cobol, BAL, System 38, all supposedly dead technologies!!!
The folks who replied before me are correct: Recruiters only consider what's hot at the current moment, everything else in their minds is dead.
If you want a job, you'll keep looking, and eventually you'll find one.
Roseanne Zhang
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Joined: Nov 14, 2000
Posts: 1953
I know what you tried to express, but in an improper way.
Saying Java is as dead as COBOL is very improper. Because COBOL is dying technology, and Java is new technology in its up-trend.
Why COBOL is still in need, it is because US coperation has tons exsisting COBOL applications need maintain, etc. Probably more than 50% existing applications in US are still written in COBOL, more than c/c++/Java/Fortran/etc. combined. There is no way to rewrite all of them in c/c++/java, since it will cost too much. That is why COBOL programmers will not extinguish from job market probably in our life time. I'm serious.
However, nobody, well, almost nobody is writing new code in COBOL. Asking all the Java programmers here, who is not writing new code?
That is the HUGE difference!!!
[This message has been edited by Roseanne Zhang (edited March 11, 2001).]
Adalberto Altamirano

Joined: Mar 06, 2001
Posts: 8
oh yeah!!!
check this out: http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CoQxaubKbytiXntK&Print=1&&Nav=na-search-&StoryTitle=News+
UrDiwana N

Joined: Feb 19, 2001
Posts: 4
HI all ,
This is to inform That JAVA is REALLY DEAD...
more than 5000 people losses their job due to Java

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You mean that there were about 5000 Java programmers in the world, now they all are unemployed, so Java is REALLY DEAD?
Or you mean it is all Java's fault that 5000 people lost job?

Uncontrolled vocabularies
"I try my best to make *all* my posts nice, even when I feel upset" -- Philippe Maquet
kapil apshankar
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Joined: Dec 17, 2000
Posts: 66
There is one more point worth considering...
We are all very young now, less than thirty years of age. And this has been the Java age. We have all gained experience from it.
Say Java is really dead...that does not really affect us because we would have already climbed up the organisation hierarchy. So at a senior management level, technical skills will come into picture only to the extent that we know where to use what. The next generation will take up the initiative on the new languages.
..Thats what the world is all about ...
Men may come and men may go...but this industry will remain here forever ...

Hope this helps. Correct me if I am wrong.
Cheers ,

Hope this helps. Correct me if I am wrong.<p>Cheers <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> ,<br />Kapil
luk Hann
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Joined: Jan 29, 2001
Posts: 48
I don't know whether Java is still alive or dead. I don't care. All I know is that the certification I just got is pretty much useless. I sent out bunch of resumes with that title and got no response at all! What a shame for that title! All the value I can see from that title is that it can make me more competitive in the tight market and get a job. I don't know what happened out there but the certification just didn't work for me.
BTW, don't post something like you need more real "hands-in" experience to get a job. If I had that experience, I won't take the exam.
frank davis
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Joined: Feb 12, 2001
Posts: 1479
I am trying to evaluate my chances in the job market also and am studying for the test now. What is your background or experience in IT or school?
Tualha Khan
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Joined: Nov 22, 2000
Posts: 287
Dear All,
I have had a look at this post very closely and I want to thank eache and every member for shedding light on this topic. To add some humor (however, not to discourage or in some other negative way) to this particular post, I would like you people to have a look at the following image. My brother in USA, had sent me this. I again repeat, I am in no way discouraging the prospective java programmers/SCJP aspirants to take it seriously. IT IS JUST MEANT TO BE A JOKE.
Tualha Khan
David Basile

Joined: Mar 09, 2001
Posts: 8
Sounds like a lot of people here are paranoid about Java in the marketplace.
First of all, the market is pretty unpredictable right now(in U.S) so you might not want to jump to any conclusions. Also, if you are planning to make a career in the IT market, you might want to consider the fact that learning Java and getting certified in it(which also helps you really learn it) can only compliment your resume. Hopefully, most people in this forum are not planning on focusing on only one programming language and expecting to land their first job with that language. The odds are probably against you if you plan to do that, especially with the market down right now.
It is fun to learn this language compared to learning a legacy's like COBOL. However, having a diverse education in computer programming(and anything else) can help you more than anything. It all depends on the prospective employer. Some like that you know Java and Cobol, some want you to never have touched Cobol.
I'm an insurance minded type person and believe in trying to cover all my bases i.e. learning more than one particular language so that I am more marketable.
I plan to get certified even though I use Java at work because there are many things that we don't use at my workplace in the Java language. A lot of things are left out.
After I get the SCJP, I plan on working on SQL and Oracle certification because I don't get any exposure to working with these databases. How am I going to answer questions on a phone interview about SQL and Oracle if I don't know anything about it?
Maybe the company has departments that focus on these and other departments that focus on Java, but if they are including questions on them, I better have an answer is my opinion.
Good luck to everyone job hunting. Although I am already employed, I am job hunting also since I want to get away from programming in COBOL(we use Java and Cobol at work).
I agree with everyone that says Java will be around for some time yet, but I also believe that with the way the market is right now, we could all use a little luck.
Shan Karawita
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Joined: Oct 13, 2000
Posts: 83
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