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Elizabeth Lester
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Joined: Aug 14, 2001
Posts: 129
Hi,
I just received a solicitation from a member of JavaRanch to my personal email address. I realize that it's up to us whether we choose to make our email address visible or not to users of this site, but I was under the impression that it would be used to ask pertinent Java questions or to appeal to us for help we may have offered in a post--things to be directed to just one person without needing or wanting to post to the whole group.
I am wondering whether this sort of soliciting is allowed or encouraged through this site...isn't that what one of the other Forums is for?
I was a bit disappointed to get the email, considering this person was trying to sell me study notes--something lots of us offer to each other for free here, and on top of that offering to act as a reference for me if I bought the notes and subsequently passed the exam--essentially buying a reference.
Not that I couldn't use some more, but really. It's just not right to do that, right?
Anyone else get a things of this sort from posting their address here? (I have purposely omitted the person's name here, but would be willing to share it if this behavior does in fact go against the netiquette here at JavaRanch.)
I personally LOVE this site, it has helped me tremendously. It just never would have occured to me to vend my notes that way.
Just my 50 cents,
Liz
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"The Hood"
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Joined: Sep 29, 2000
Posts: 8521
First time that I've heard this one . Of course I never read my bulk mail .
No this is NOT encouraged, although I am not sure exactly how we could stop it. If you want to sent the address to Jim@javaranch.com or perhaps Ajith@javaranch.com I am sure that they will write a nice polite letter to the person asking them to quit doing that.


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Elizabeth Lester
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Joined: Aug 14, 2001
Posts: 129
Thanks for the response.
I will respond directly to her myself...I'm glad to hear that this does not happen too often. I guess most people have a better sense of propriety.
I guess I won't remove my email address just yet
--liz
[This message has been edited by Elizabeth Lester (edited October 24, 2001).]
paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
Posts: 20729
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I would have to discourage vendors from doing this. If we get enough complaints we will send a nasty-gram to the vendor.


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Michael Bruesch
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Joined: Sep 23, 2001
Posts: 158
yeah, take that soliciting crap to "Blatant Advertising". Although it's never happened to me. I'd just flood their e-mail with SPAM as well. Don't get mad, get even.


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Matthew Phillips
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Joined: Mar 09, 2001
Posts: 2676
Hopefully this is not going to become a problem, but the same thing just happened to me.
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Mark Herschberg
Sheriff

Joined: Dec 04, 2000
Posts: 6037
I just got an email like that. Of course, I only recently put up my bio, and they seemed to think I'm some sort of instructor. I got the impression they only spammed people on the JavaRanch contact page with it.
--Mark
Elizabeth Lester
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Joined: Aug 14, 2001
Posts: 129
The solicitation I received was disguised as a response to a post I had made in the SCJP Results forum.
--liz
[This message has been edited by Elizabeth Lester (edited October 29, 2001).]
Dave Vick
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Joined: May 10, 2001
Posts: 3244
Sounds like you got a different one than the one all of the moderators seem to have gotten, Liz. You're the only one I've heard of that got that particular one, unless others did and haven't mentioned it. They were trying to sell you their study notes? That is pretty low.
Like Paul said if it continues or if you get a hassle from them please let us know - we'll put Paul in charge of 'nasty-grams'
Dave


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Elizabeth Lester
Ranch Hand

Joined: Aug 14, 2001
Posts: 129
Thanks Guys,
It does sound like my email was different. It was a JavaRanch member trying to sell her notes for SCJD for the bargain-basement price of $199. She was also offering to serve as a reference for whoever purchased her notes.
It just really got my goat that she would be selling her notes when lots of other people (including myself) have excellent notes (albeit for a different exam) that they have been sharing to help others, just as we have all received help from others through JavaRanch.
I emailed with her a couple of times, but she does not seem to understand why she should not profit for her "hard work" and offer to serve as a "professional reference" for any buyers, even though she would never have worked with them.
If other folks run into the same problem I can share the details. I'm still a little bitter, but I'll get over it
--liz
Theresa Faulkner
Ranch Hand

Joined: Feb 21, 2001
Posts: 31
It's stuff like this that keep me from posting my e-mail where anyone can access it...
Dave Vick
Ranch Hand

Joined: May 10, 2001
Posts: 3244
Liz and Theresa
This is the first I've heard of something like this - granted, I haven't been here as long as some people, but it still seems to me this is the exception and not the rule.
Glad to see it doesn't detract from your use of the ranch
Theresa, by all means, if you dont feel like it dont put your email in your profile, just dont stop coming to the ranch
Also, if you ever feel like it you can put your email in your profile then click the no button under 'Keep your email address viewable to other users when you post notes?' and then only the moderators can see it. Actually I think only the sherrifs, not just any old moderator.
Dave
[This message has been edited by Dave Vick (edited October 29, 2001).]
Ashik Uzzaman
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Joined: Jul 05, 2001
Posts: 2370

I also got that e-mail, study notes for SCJD...I rather gave her a counter offer...
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Vanitha Sugumaran
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 11, 2001
Posts: 356
I also received an email, regarding selling scjd study notes, same message as Elizabeth mentioned.
Vanitha.
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
Bartender

Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
Putting your e-mail address on the net does expose it to all sorts of unsolicited email. Thats why most of the moderators here have yahoo type e-mail addresses.
[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited October 30, 2001).]
Lance Finney
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Joined: Apr 26, 2001
Posts: 133
This thread http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001449.html is the same type of solicitation. Should it be deleted?
Also, "Betty" posted a similar solicitation at the end of http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001441.html and http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001436.html
[This message has been edited by Lance Finney (edited November 01, 2001).]
paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
Posts: 20729
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I don't mind a little plugging of a service. We've had to ask a couple of vendors in the past to tone it down.
This one sounds like they probably aren't going to go anywhere cuz they are just way too expensive. Hell, for that price you could probably get the guy that wrote the exam to tutor you personally.
 
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