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Color of SCJP Logo

Nazmul Huda Sarkar
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Joined: Feb 01, 2002
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I've received a SCJP logo which is black&White..is it ?


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Keith Sherratt
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Joined: May 23, 2002
Posts: 12
[Mods: This post in in response to two (now deleted) requests for a copy of the logo]

I think you'll find it is illegal to post the image, and you'll leave yourself open to prosecution from SUN.
[ May 30, 2007: Message edited by: Barry Gaunt ]
Kevin Thompson
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Joined: May 04, 2001
Posts: 237
It was my understanding it was completely legal to use the "certified logo" (the black & white one).
Isn't that part of the point in passing the certifications - to be able to use the logo?
I thought it was no problem, provided you follow their rules: Only to be used on stationery, business cards & resume. These can be on be on hardcopy or on internet.
If you know where Sun's rules are forbidding the "certified logo" could you tell us where? I would like to have this issue nailed down solid, instead of being 95% sure.
Keith Sherratt
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Joined: May 23, 2002
Posts: 12
If you have passed the exam then of course you're allowed to use it (on stationary, business card etc). However, you can't give it away (i.e. post the image) for use by others who (for all you know) are not equalified to use it.
It is not your property to distribute to others, the distribution rights remain the property of SUN. If you pass the exams it does not give you a license to distribute the logo. cf: If I purchase a computer game, I'm licensed to use it, but I can't post copies to all my mates!!
Kevin Thompson
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Posts: 237
That is not what Sun has told some people here on this forum.
Sun said that we can use it on stationary, resume, business card. Hardcopy or on Internet.
As for people stealing a logo - how can we be responsible for the behavior of strangers?
I was curious if anybody had some actual links or documentation from Sun. All we have at this point is opinions.
Keith Sherratt
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Joined: May 23, 2002
Posts: 12
I've just received my certification pack through the post this morning, and the LOGO LICENSE CONTRACT which you are required to sign states (in bold text) and I quote....
"You may not give the Logo or otherwise provide, in any way, access to the Logo artwork to anyone else".
I think that is pretty clear, wouldn't you say???
Keith Sherratt
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Joined: May 23, 2002
Posts: 12
....Oh and no you can't post it on the Internet!
Not sure where you got that idea from as the contract also states, and again I quote....
"..the Logo may NOT be used on or in conjunction with any products (incluing those you have developed), advertising, marketting collateral, labels, packagiing or WEB SITES".
Hardcopy business cards, resumes and stationary are the ONLY thing you can put the logo on.
Case closed.
Kevin Thompson
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Joined: May 04, 2001
Posts: 237
Actually, the contract says you can not use the logo on your resume.
At some point I will need to contact Sun myself to determine what exactly they mean. I also have a contract and what it says it quite ambiguous.
At one point it says "you may use the logo on your personal business cards & personal stationery"..... Another sentence says " you may not use on..... web sites". Another sentence says "You may not use the logo on your resume".
However, I know people here on JavaRanch use the logo on their personal web site, which has their resume(with the logo). THey did this because they specifically asked Sun what exactly the contract means, and were told that using the logo on a resume on the internet was ok(even though the contract says can not use on resume.)
Sun needs to start making real world statements on their contract. Which statements are referring to hardcopy? Which sentences are referring to internet?
In addition, the original reason I did not sign the contract is because Sun was so ambiguous on the definition of "company use", and "personal use". They say "if you are working for a company other than your own sole proprietorship which is doing business in your own name and of which you are the sole employee, you may not use the logo". What exactly does that mean? I am incorporated and I am the sole employee. If I were to use the logo, would my use be a "personal use" or a "company use"? What exactly is Sun trying to say? Do they mean "sole proprietorship" in the legal definition of the phrase? or the IRS tax definition of the phrase?.
Notice this big ambiguity (kind of funny in a way) => contract says you can not use for company use, but the contract form wants you to provide the Company Name(if applicable) and the CEO's or President's Name(if applicable).
What could they possibly mean? They clearly forbid company use, but they request the company name?! Possibly what Sun really wants is the employer's name (where the Java certified person signing the contract works)?
But if they mean "Employer's Name", why didn't they just say so?
Since I could not figure out what Sun's contract meant, I did not sign it, and I do not use the logo in any way. It is too bad there is no certification for the lawyers who write these nutty contracts.
Gunjan Kumar
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Joined: Mar 26, 2007
Posts: 74
Hi

If i post my resume on internet in word format, and then somebody illegally copy the logo from my word file, how can i prevent this.

In that case what should i do?

Do not post it on the internet.
[ May 30, 2007: Message edited by: Barry Gaunt ]

Gunjan Kumar
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Barry Gaunt
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Two requests for a copy of the logo have had to be deleted.


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Joe Wolfe
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It sounds like much ado about nothing. No ones going to get sued by Sun especially if they earned the cert.


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