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What do you do after all the certifications

Vivek Viswanathan
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Joined: Mar 03, 2001
Posts: 350
Any ideas on how all this certifications are going to help.


Vivek Viswanathan SCJP 1.2, SCJP 1.6,SCJD,SCEA,SCWCD,IBM-484,IBM-486,IBM-141,Ms.NET C# 70-316,SCMAD, LPIC-I
Satish Avadhanam
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Joined: Aug 12, 2003
Posts: 697
Hi Vivek
Originally posted by Vivek Viswanathan:
Any ideas on how all this certifications are going to help.

We learn a great deal of basics and hope that they might help at jobs. Last but not least, I think we will be confident compared to those who did'nt
Hari Vignesh Padmanaban
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Joined: Oct 07, 2003
Posts: 578
We learn a great deal of basics and hope that they might help at jobs. Last but not least, I think we will be confident compared to those who did'nt

Awsome reply satish
I totally agree with you especially in jobs ..hopefully

and sure, i have gained enormous confidence also !!!
Reginald Law
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Joined: Jan 21, 2004
Posts: 19
The certification helps alot during the interviews. Many of the java questions that I got on some recent interviews reminded me of the certification exam. I was able to answer the questions pretty fast. It was fun to see the interviewers dig and dig trying to get me caught up. It was fun to see them get frustrated. It lets the interviewers know that you know your stuff. You also need to know your servlets, jsp's, xml, rdms, design patterns, and uml.
I thought my self java 4 years ago and did lots of projects at home. Everytime I would have an interview managers would ask "Are you certified". Never got any java jobs offers. Now mind you I have 20 years of software development experience, lots of OOA/OAD with C++ and it did not help. After I got certified I got 2 job offers recently.
So for me rejections turned into offers. Certifications are very important in the Government contracting sector. Same with commerical sectors. Now I am going for the web component developer certification. I see the power for knowledge and being able to handle tricky interview questions.
So from what I am seeing Certification has become more important than a college degree, job experience, and references. Apparently there are so many people who cheat in school and lie on their resumes.
I have found out that in the past 5 years mangement is not as technical as they use to be. They depend on certification to tell who can do the job or not.
There are also other certifications to get such as oracle dba, oracle developer, redhat engineer, IEEE Computer Software Engineer, and OMG UML 2.0.


SCJP 1.4
Vishwa Kumba
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Joined: Aug 27, 2003
Posts: 1064
Reginald,
The value of certifications has been debated a lot of times here in the ranch.Certifications have helped people get their basics right and also some people jobs. There are also a lot of people who are certified but have no jobs nor any basics. It all depends on the individual and of course LUCK!. Gone are the days, when the very name of SUN certification on the CV guaranteed a job with a good pay!
Originally posted by Satish Avadhanam:
We learn a great deal of basics and hope that they might help at jobs. Last but not least, I think we will be confident compared to those who did'nt

Satish & Hari,
I agree with you guys.It gives u some confidence, but watch out! this very confidence could develop into a dark phase of depression and frustration later, if you didn't get a job with all the certifications.
Economy is still bad and there are plenty of people with good experience and skills, still lurking around for a job or a better job....So, we need to remind ourselves that not all certified people get jobs!
As I said before, LUCK plays a big FACTOR!....
May the force be with all of us...(favouring the certified only )
Good Luck!
karlos pillai
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Joined: Mar 19, 2004
Posts: 5
I totally Agree with Vish, Many job interviews are luck based " Labor under correct knowledge" , people with certification in a particular field are more lucky .
Thanks,
karlos.
Vivek Viswanathan
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Joined: Mar 03, 2001
Posts: 350
I aggree with all your replys, but I have had this problem I have a lot of good certifications, but some one mentioned that it is mainly paper certification only since I just have about 2 years of EJB exprience, I guess not enough to complement my Sun Certified Architect Certification.
Vivek
SCJP,SCJD,SCWCD,SCEA,IBM 486, IBM 484, Ms.NET C# 70-316,SCMAD(beta) - waiting for results.
Hari Vignesh Padmanaban
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Joined: Oct 07, 2003
Posts: 578
but watch out! this very confidence could develop into a dark phase of depression and frustration later, if you didn't get a job with all the certifications.

Hey vivek, It may sound very strange ..But personally I am quite happy that I did not land up in a job as soon as I graduated from school and I could say that i am adicted now to certifications
Confused ? well here are the reasons
1.well, reason being that certificatuions have really helped me know so much (especially abt the basics) that were NEVER taught in school. As said before, i am quite confident that I would be able to peform well in mthe futuristic job
2. From what I have heard from working people, it is very hard to study for these certifications once you get a job ..The job in this economy is really very demanding ( hey..i am not talking abt teh extraordinary working people in the ranch who stil manage to get certifications )
3. Once you get a job and keep adding experience, the certifications you had taken REALLY start counting a lot (Noone really cares when u took teh certificaions ..for example after I have get year experience (hopefully ..;-) with that Luck factor ).. i can say I have one year experience and 4 certifications ..and THAT would count a lot that time
4. you really get to get a sense of how all the technologies fit in piece. For example I was really able to see how j2ee, ooad(patterns) and xml all fit into todays software development , only after going through these certifications
4. I was able to meet you all wonderful people in this wonderful ranch
So my conclusion is that certifications are a VERY good investment..mabe we are not reaping teh benefits right now ;-)..but benefits..we definetely will reap them ..in teh future

hari
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Satish Avadhanam
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Joined: Aug 12, 2003
Posts: 697
Hey Hari, well, your plans seems to be "very futuristic"
Me too, thinking the same. Good Luck
kumar thokkala
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Joined: Apr 12, 2004
Posts: 24
Just wanted to add my opinion with certification. I worked with java for almost around 2 years at school in various projects, but only after certification (got 88% in SCJP1.4 ) I got enough confidence and faced job interviews with better confidence. So for all my friends who has the same question...i have one answer 'to feel better and do better'
Now I am in job and I want to get SCWCD, and it's hard for me to take out time for preparation and dont know how much time I need. Although SCWCD 1.4 seems good, I dont want to wait till june to get hold of a book for preparation, so I want to go for SCWCD 1.3 asap. I have around 2 yrs of experience in JSP/servlets can someone suggest me how much time and wat resources I need to get through SCWCD 1.3.
Karthik Gurunathan
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Joined: Jan 26, 2004
Posts: 19
Hi Guys,
I work in software services company. Here are my reasons for doing certification...
1.My company reimburses the test fee(if I pass)and encourages people get certified,so that they can sell services to clients "we have got people who have got certified in this".
2.I also have to show what I have done to improve my skill level(value addition) other than doing my project.
3.Helps me to move to a different project rather than doing the same monotonus work like data migration etc...helps me to sell myself even inside the company.
4.Helps to improve my marketability in the job market.
5.last but not the least,certification helps you to improve your self confidence on the subject and proud of your commitment to achieve something.
I have not got the certification yet..I am working towards that..I haven't read any book after my college(its been 6 years)...its tough get back on the study mode..I feel its worth it... take it easy guys....
Thanks,
karthik Gurunathan
Hari Vignesh Padmanaban
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Joined: Oct 07, 2003
Posts: 578
Originally posted by kumar kuamr:
I have around 2 yrs of experience in JSP/servlets can someone suggest me how much time and wat resources I need to get through SCWCD 1.3.

U will need 10-12 days !!! (3 hrs each should be more than sufficient!!!)
and with the experience you have u can easily get above 80%
Just read the book given below !!!

SCWCD Exam Study Kit: Java Web Component Developer Certification
Good luck for the exam
Chris Oglethorpe
Greenhorn

Joined: Mar 26, 2004
Posts: 3
I recently passed the SCJP exam after years of telling my self I should. I have written code in Java for a few years and thought I really knew my stuff, but studying for the exam made me realize that I didn't know as much as I thought i did. I'm a better developer now that I've done the study needed for the exam, and I think it will show in my work.
As I look for different employment, one company actually had boxes to check for SCJP and SCJD certifications! It felt good to actually check one of the boxes.
And as I interview (both as interviewer and interviewee) I now have better questions to ask, and better answers to give. From what I have seen, interviews have become more like oral defenses for a Ph.D. and every right answer counts. To help with that, I have this idea in my head about gettting *all* of the Sun Java certs. Only this time, I am actually studying for the exams rather than just planning to take action someday.
I did notice one curiosity. Sun exams were listed in Certifcation Magazine's 2003 Salary Survey and people with had the Web Developer certification actually made less than people who just had SCJP! How one makes less for passing a second cert exam is beyond me. But people who passed the Developer exam made almost 10k more, according to the survey. That said, I wonder how accurate the exam is...
I have to decide what my next exam will be. Right now, I'm studying for all three J2EE exams at once. My brain hurts. Any suggestions to help me decide on which one of the four certs to pursue next? I appreciate your help. You'll keep my sane and my asprin bottle full.
 
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