I remained very discrete so as to avoid french bashing , but now it has cooled down I can join the cattle here and claim I passed SCJD2 on 10/21/2002 (can't remember score, but was about 80% I believe).
Yes, RHCE is really challenging : 2nd part is an easy general knowledge MCQ, 3rd part a standard install+kernel compilation+services setup, but 1st part is a really hard live debugging where you have to find out ho to repair 4 voluntarily messed-up configs. This one is really touchy, fixing ranges from awfuly simple to really tricky, if you are likely to fail it is on this one. I highly recommend to have live experience with some issues fixing before attempting it, and as Linux runs fine with very little flaws, finding issues is a challenge already :-) . I won't try RHCT for RHCE is already an higher cert. I don't hold a recent CCNA, 2-1/2 years old, but apart from some lab simulations (about 2 I believe) it has little changed, but I recommend you search on Cisco related web sites for such sample simulations exist so as to show what new CCNA is like.
Joined: May 26, 2004
Hi, quote : I won't try RHCT for RHCE is already an higher cert
yes, i know that
btw, last time i have a plan to take rhct exam first then rhce, but i found that it is too dificult if i prepare for 3/4 months period(assume :1 hours a day). in your opinion, which one is better to take ccna or rhct??? and i stilll confused as well with taking scjd 1.4 and scbcd??? any comment would be help.
I may be influenced by situation in France, but I would say have CCNA first anyway. The only hesitation I have is about popularity of RHCT/RHCE on US soil, it may be valuable but you should enquire by yourself so as to check it. RHCT/RHCE is without any doubt a very good cert, but is it worth for US employers, no idea, may be and should be but I have no idea. In France (for I am french, sorry about that ), it is clearly no, despite its great interest employers don't really worth Linux right now, it is coming but not yet. On the other hand, despite CCNA is a beginer cert with little practical worth and even some despise (even Cisco adicts nickame it "Cannot Configure Nothing Atall" , only CCNP/CCDP is considered as a "serious" level) it has real worth because : _ everyone had to start at beginer level anyway, no shame about it. _ CCNA is not a great advantage to have, but a great disadvantage not to have, you won't be considered as having any network knowledge without it. _ networking is a real job, and it is too tightly mixed with computing technology by now, nowadays you MUST have basic network knowledge so CCNA cert so as to be considered an IT professionnal, even if networking is not your branch. _ CCNA is cheap, about $ 150 U.S.D, while RHCE is much more expensive.
So in all I would say CCNA first, rather quick and cheap and must have, then if RHCE is worth it try it but is is much more touchy and expensive.
Don't be confused, have SCJD at first. It comes in 2 parts, one project assignment then afterwards a quick easy personnalized exam for checking you made the assignment program yourself so know what it is about. SCJD is simply the most interesting Java cert existing, from a project skeletton with on purpose lacking or deffective features you will have to build a decent prototype by adding or modifying or extending the skeletton. This will make you right questions and make you wonder about concurent access, SGBD locking, client/server communication, effective GUI, and so on. So if you really work on the project, fall in every expected trap, find how to fix it (sensibly, apart from some mandatory features you won't be asked to do things in a given way, but to say what you did and justify why you chose to do it in such way). This will make you point out all the issues for which Java distributed architecture makes an effective solution and ESPECIALLY will allow you to understand SCBCD really easilly. For although J2EE is a really sophisticated but complicated architecture, all the good reasons why such architecture was built will be a real peace of cake to understand thanks to SCJD, for it offers solutions to all architecture issues you will have encountered in practice. So I say SCJD now, no way.
Joined: May 26, 2004
Thanks a lot Eric for your great explanation.
one of my friend that if you can get one of the hardest cisco cert then you will find a job very easy, because before a company can accept a project from a client, the company must have at least 7/6 employee who hold the sisco cert(i don;t know which cert, but it must be the hardest cert to get).
iwill follow what you say,take ccna first and next cert after ccna and still continue to improve java.
Yes, it must be CCIE, but forget it "Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert" really means it, it's a nightmare, toughest cert not only in whole IT industry but simply in whole industry. It is the only one for which companies would be really looking to hire you without you ask.
But don't consider this, you should simply look to get certs you need. I would recommend as a base goal, if you are before all a Java developer, Ciso CCNA + Sun's SCJP+SCJD. Once you have these, you could quietly consider what fits you best or need most afterwards.