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Guennadiy VANIN
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Joined: Aug 30, 2001
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It seems to me that it is possible only to register.
I do not want to keep my data in this cite.
This is unbielivable - during recent 24 hours I was called 6 times jerk, received ~20 derragotary characteristics and instructions how I should behave and how bad I am, etc. All from US based javaranchers.
I did not attack anybody personally, first and directly. My the most rude remarks were in reply and much more gentle than my characteristics, etc., etc.
This all started after my post in http://www.javaranch.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/001437.html
and as it was implied it was triggered by a administrator's agreement.
I really knew about US intolerance to anything different but had some vague doubts.
Johannes de Jong
tumbleweed
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Joined: Jan 27, 2001
Posts: 5089
I find that when I get treated badly its mostly because I expressed myself unclearly. Maybe that was the case with you in certain cases as well.
I will post a link to this thread in the MO forum if you insist on having your info removed.
I hope however that you will reconsider
Michael Ernest
High Plains Drifter
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Joined: Oct 25, 2000
Posts: 7292

G, by JavaRanch info accounts you've posted 266 times so far. I've heard personally from several JavaRanchers who expressed annoyance at the content of your posts.
Personally, when I enter a topic about Norway, where you made some offhand comment about the US bombing of Vietnam, it tends to confirm those complaints. And you really should be able to comprehend how rude that is, both to the topic's originator and the audience.
Maybe you have to imagine this for yourself. Let's say someone opens a topic on the ongoing litigation between Sun and Micosoft. I then post, "Wow, this reminds me of when the reactor at Chernobyl blew up. Boy, before then Russia seemed like an ok place to live." Would you not find such a comment a) completely beside the point and b) seemingly intended to provoke others?
I think you really need to look your contributions along those lines. There are several more examples; just search on yourself and reread your own stuff. If you honestly can't see how some of your postings might annoy others, then leaving JavaRanch certainly won't solve your problems.


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Paul Stevens
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Joined: May 17, 2001
Posts: 2823
I think you are over reacting. As I have already explained to you. You were not called rude. The act of totally changing the thread was rude. I haven't saw all of these comments you are aluding to. If you also noticed, I posted a thread informing everyone that changing threads direction is considered rude. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Learn to take constructive criticism instead of taking everything personally.
Fei Ng
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Joined: Aug 26, 2000
Posts: 1242
Totally agree with Michael!!!
(Marilyn deleted long quote)
[This message has been edited by Marilyn deQueiroz (edited November 22, 2001).]
Angela Poynton
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Posts: 3143
Another option may be to just change your profile so at least your e-mail address isn't visible to the public.
If you really want to totally unregister then I'll delete you're account, just e-mail me at angela@javaranch.com . However first I recommend you think about what Michael said, it certainly makes sense.
You've posted a lot, we're grateful for everyone who comes here and makes a contribution however we also like to keep the place as friendly as possible. It may have been utterly unintentional but many of your posts have been phrased in such a way as they may be easily interpretted as agressive, rude or just unfriendly. I suggest this to everyone here not just you; before you hit the submit button re-read what you have written and try to think about how another person might interpret it. Doing this might make you think about how you phrased something.
An example might be a case where you have an idea for a new feature for the site for instance.
Now one might say "this feature should be here" or they could say "I have an idea I think you guys might consider for this site".
Now to me (others may disagree) the second statement would certainly make me consider the idea in a more friendly light since this statment appears to be from someone who wants to help us develop the site, however this first appears to be from some one who doesn't really appreciate what we already have and is dictating what we SHOULD have here.
Hope this makes sense.
Also if you e-mail me and point me to any thread where you have been called a jerk, I'll edit/delete the insult as appropriate since we don't tolerate personal attacks.
[This message has been edited by Angela Poynton (edited November 21, 2001).]


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Ashik Uzzaman
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G Vanin, u r a technically strong person i know. People like u r needed here in JavaRanch. Do not consider urself to unregister....just may be a personal request....

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Guennadiy VANIN
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Joined: Aug 30, 2001
Posts: 898
No I do not want to unregister. It means to be cut from your own posts.
<h2>Ashik,</h2>
thank you. You did not deviate from things to persons. You had not decided to "help" me by one more recommendation. And you have never called me yet by a letter!!! Some people do not understand the difference between abbreviation of the name and the name! certainly not you
I like you more and more
<h2>Johannes,</h2>

you should not get bad treated, it is the subject or your opinion should be discussed. It should be discussed in the proper place and not transferred to all forums.


I do not know what is MO but please restrict at least the location of such discussions.

But I believe that it is imperative to have a rule that:
It is anadmissable to attack a person. It just became here the rule. It is even more strange that as a rule it comes from moderators. It is even more strange that moderators appear amid of technical discussion with the only contribution like
Or simply highlight the hidden text. Perhaps G, you weren't aware that this is a common technique to hide "spoilers". Or are you just being an idiot as usual?

Or not the only but even after reading and contributing to technical discussion. That makes more sense, at least.


There is just no sense to me loosing time for searching all references but it became quite a rule here and moderators just do not restrict other moderators but go ahead of greenhorns and ranch hands.


I also read that moderators comment on behalf of others moderators. Do you understand? I, and everybody else here, should read not only multiple opinions of just every moderator but on behalf of all others moderators?!

<h2>Paul, Thomas</h2>
thank you that �You were not called rude.� but I am, according to you, just being an idiot as usual� . But I consider to be rude attacking another person just because he has a different opinion and especially without any reason at all , at that time and at that place . To follow a person all over Internet with this obsession, I consider to be an illness, nothing personal. I hope bombers are not in the air yet?
The act of totally changing the thread was rude.
The thread was not changed. The article cites that Norway considers important to considerably give away to the world, be tolerable and secure. This is completely different from bombing the others when you even had not provet the guilt. Even had it been proved, it is not the method of solving but arranging problems.
I haven't saw all of these comments you are aluding to.
So, what is the your point? I should waste my time collecting all citations for you and all my fans here?
<h2>Michael,</h2>
I do not want re-reading your reference. I continue strongly to believe in maintaining some healthy memory. I did not tell ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING about bombing Vietnam ( just another typical from american opinion abt what he does not know and does not care). I told that USA were not behind Norway (and Canada) in the level of living during post-Vietnam syndrome when they had not been bombing. Your example about Russia is not personal attack and it is, BTW, just a standard in westertn media. As well as comparing your way of living to others.
What was your point, after all? It is not surprise for me that americans do not traditionally bother themselves hearing/reading others. Just one more proof
<h2>Angela, </h2>
�I have an idea I think you guys might consider� are just words (does it make a smallest hint about topic, if to take separately?), take time for more reading and make impossible for the restricted space of the topic textfield. Was it taken from topic? Anyway, it is clear that it is for the discussion thread but not a policy statement for this site, from one of sheriffs. I consider imperative for me to be short for being heard/read in full, understood correctly. Look at Michael, he could not get to the end of even 2 phrases abt Vietnam!!

I do not mind against jerks but it influences the quality and volume of answers, esp. if it starts to be a must in this site.

Abt "friendliness": it all depends on your notion of friends. I, for example, do not consider to be a friend a person trying to flatter me. Then, I do not think that I determine here the impression, look also at moderators

Leave "jerks", I like them. "Having bad reaction is better than having none".

Just imagine greenhorns here appear, search all my posts and make first contribution to javaranch about phenomena of G Vanin! Or those greenhorns have access to "Only for moderators" forum?
Please, do not delete anything. Experience comes from errors, not from successes.

[This message has been edited by G Vanin (edited November 22, 2001).]
Marilyn de Queiroz
Sheriff

Joined: Jul 22, 2000
Posts: 9048
    
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Originally posted by G Vanin:
And you have never called me yet by a letter!!! Some people do not understand the difference between abbreviation of the name and the name! certainly not you
People call me M frequently. I don't mind. And they know my name is Marilyn.
I do not know what is MO but please restrict at least the location of such discussions.
Good point!

But I believe that it is imperative to have a rule that:
It is inadmissable to attack a person. It just became here the rule.
It is not a new rule, and should not have been violated, especially by moderators.

I also read that moderators comment on behalf of others moderators. Do you understand? I, and everybody else here, should read not only multiple opinions of just every moderator but on behalf of all others moderators?!
Absolutely not! All moderators do not agree. You remember the thread about moderator behaviour, I'm sure.
�I have an idea I think you guys might consider� are just words (does it make a smallest hint about topic, if to take separately?), take time for more reading and make impossible for the restricted space of the topic textfield. Was it taken from topic? Anyway, it is clear that it is for the discussion thread but not a policy statement for this site, from one of sheriffs. I consider imperative for me to be short for being heard/read in full, understood correctly.
"I suggest" is shorter than �I have an idea I think you guys might consider� and less agressive than "You should do ... "
Or those greenhorns have access to "Only for moderators" forum?
You know they don't.
Experience comes from errors, not from successes.
Success comes when you learn from your errors. Experience comes from both errors and successes.

[This message has been edited by Marilyn deQueiroz (edited November 22, 2001).]


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Guennadiy VANIN
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Posts: 898
Marilyn,
You remember the thread about moderator behaviour, I'm sure.
I did not read it. Why should I? Here is a wrong impression that I interfere with anything US based but it is to the contrary when I see an american I am trying to get away (and to find a shelter)
You know they do not [have access to "Only for moderators]"

For me it is obvious that some of the moderators just change their names for bothering people. MD is last and I came to it in 3 weeks of posts, and it is strange to beleive that someone comes to just reading all my posts.
Another name is really easily calculated by the post time, style and citations by comparing it with other posts in MD.
I also would like to add, I am not shamefull of anything (except jokingly advising Fiodor Myshkin to comply with naming policy, because I associated that name with personage from Dostoyevskii's "Idiot" , but since a did not read it at least 80 yrs, and I do not have access to that book, I am not sure. This is a real break in my head in this part Therefore, I am ready to beg pardon) and deleting of my posts is just helping all the j...ks here
[This message has been edited by G Vanin (edited November 22, 2001).]
paul wheaton
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Joined: Dec 14, 1998
Posts: 20660
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Rather than making rules about every occurance of something going haywire, I prefer to have decent folk in charge who just focus on trying to do the decent things.
Because of language and cultural differences, the true meaning of a message over this medium can be easily mis-interpretted.
I think a great way to tell a person's character is to see if they are finding the best possible interpretation of a message, or the worst. Icky people tend to find the worst possible interpretation. Decent folk tend to find the best possible interpretation.
Another great way to tell a person's character is to see if they try to make ugly situations better or worse.
And yet another great way to find the quality of a person's character is how they behave when confronted with an actual personal attack: do they blow their top, or do they brush it aside. A person that brushes it aside clearly does not value the opinion of the person that is attacking them and feels good enough about themselves that such an attack seems petty and not worth a response.
Well, just a few of my own personal ramblings. Probably a bit off topic, eh?

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Guennadiy VANIN
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Posts: 898
Paul,
I would not have reacted and even knew (since I was accustomed to check MD only once a week), had not your moderators hunted me and interfered in discussions in other forums by unwarranted and unrelated posts
Michael Ernest
High Plains Drifter
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Joined: Oct 25, 2000
Posts: 7292

One more time...
Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:

And yet another great way to find the quality of a person's character is how they behave when confronted with an actual personal attack: do they blow their top, or do they brush it aside.

Fei Ng
Ranch Hand

Joined: Aug 26, 2000
Posts: 1242
Again!! I am so agree with Michael. Forgive and Forget.

Angela Poynton
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Joined: Mar 02, 2000
Posts: 3143
Originally posted by G Vanin:
had not your moderators hunted me and interfered in discussions in other forums by unwarranted and unrelated posts

No moderator HUNTS people. They do their job and check the threads in the forums. If they feel the need to comment they will. Again I remind you the moderators here do their tasks in their spare time, I don't think they're going to waste their precious time hunting you.
NOBODY here (except maybe Paul Wheaton, cos he's the big boss) is permitted to make personal attacks, irrespective of their status as Greenhorn, Ranchhand, Bartender or Sheriff. Now, when you raised the matter of Moderators personally attcking you it was discussed in Moderators Only and the situation was clarified and I seriously doubt it will happen again. As for non-moderators these can only be asked not to do it again and have their posts edited.
The two examples of ways of saying things I gave earlier were just that, examples, and weren't based on any actual post by anyone. The point I was trying to get across is something that Paul raised again later, misinterpretation of is easy in this kind of medium, we can't hear a tone of voice or see a facial expression, all we have is plain words, Paul is right, the way someone interprets those words says a lot about them. Personally I interpretted many of your posts that others thought were a little too agressive as just misunderstood.
Sometimes it takes more words to make you point in a manner that is both clear and non-agressive, it's a price I'm willing to pay.
As for Moderators changing their names and pretending to be greenhorns or ranch-hands, I can't say for sure but I doubt that happens often. There are ways of finding out that are available to Moderators here, and they're a bit more exact that guessing because of the time a person posts. We have thousands of visitors here, I think its a safe guess that many of them share the same timezone.
Guennadiy VANIN
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Posts: 898
Angela, thank you.
Michael,
it was not exactly or directly because of the personal attack but because of obvious consequences. It was mainly because you, for example, just ignored me in that cited discussion. For me, it is much better have bad reaction than just have a silly impression that I am talking to myself and with those that couldn't bear the fact that I do not show off my faults more brightly, for ex., by underlying someone's errors. Such a disappointment of such hopes. That your discussion just was saturated by ill-wishing, ill-expectation.
AGAIN: OK, have bad reaction. It does not make sense of wasting time for being ONLY deprecated or only victimized ...

[This message has been edited by G Vanin (edited November 23, 2001).]
Marilyn de Queiroz
Sheriff

Joined: Jul 22, 2000
Posts: 9048
    
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Originally posted by G Vanin:
"...the thread about moderator behaviour"
I did not read it. Why should I? Here is a wrong impression that I interfere with anything US based but it is to the contrary when I see an american I am trying to get away (and to find a shelter)

Sorry. My bad assumption. Anyway, the main point was that all moderators do not agree about everything. Also, by the way, all moderators are not American. We have moderators from Switzerland, England, Holland, Russia, Argentina, India, Turkey, and other places also.

MD is last and I came to it in 3 weeks of posts, and it is strange to believe that someone comes to just reading all my posts.

Most moderators read more than one forum. I rarely read MD. I have not read your post(s) there. It seems that some people (not moderators) only post in MD and ignore all of the other forums. Not everybody starts at the top and reaches MD after 3 weeks.

deleting of my posts is just helping all the j...ks here
Has someone deleted one of your posts? This is the first I have heard of this. Angela was talking about editing name-calling out of posts, not deleting posts.
Michael Ernest
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Originally posted by G Vanin:

It was mainly because you, for example, just ignored me in that cited discussion. For me, it is much better have bad reaction than just have a silly impression that I am talking to myself and with those that couldn't bear the fact that I do not show off my faults more brightly, for ex., by underlying someone's errors. Such a disappointment of such hopes. That your discussion just was saturated by ill-wishing, ill-expectation.

I believe in being frank, so yes, I am ignoring much of what you post, and for reasons you've seen me give earlier. I often find your posts off-topic. If you say you don't intend to annoy people, then it's not for me to contradict that. I nonetheless find your comments provocative more often than I think a poor grasp of English would allow.
If I don't respond to something you've written, you can assume it's because I find it too difficult to gather your meaning, and possibly too annoyed to want to inquire.
We're all free to ignore whom we wish, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to tell me I have ill wishes. Speaking of creating an annoyance, telling others what they're thinking, which you do from time to time, almost always does that. I for one find it hard to believe that this is a problem in diction more than it is a problem in attitude.
Peace --
[This message has been edited by Michael Ernest (edited November 23, 2001).]
faisal mahmood
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Why bring politics to general forums in Javaranch? There is a forum called "Meaningless Drivel" and politics may have a place there
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Guennadiy VANIN
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Revealing, especially in definition of "moderator" and the order of reason-consequence, here.
Anybody please close this thread.
Angela Poynton
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