Never posted it here but wanted to make sure I let everyone know!! Coming to Java ranch was worth it. So was the reading the excellent forms. I just went through one book thrice and wrote all the programs out and took the mock exams. Took awhile but as my direction changed I eventually tweeked my way to getting 94% on the exam. The basics on the exam really are worth learning and it did help me to get a good job. Not a Java job but still a good job. I am on my way.