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Louis - Jean Morisset
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Joined: Aug 25, 2003
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Ok, I have posted something on the Certification results this morning because I thought it was the place to ask that question, but it seems that here is a better place.
So here is take two!!
I have just passed my SCJP this Monday. Thanks, no applauses needed, ok maybe just a little . Now what??? There are the Sun's certifications and the IBM ones. My employer would like me to take the IBM certifications because we are partners. Ok, but which one should I go for first. Can I bypass certs 285 and go straight to 287 on the IBM certs?? Should I concentrate on SCEA?? This is the first question.
Second question is, which book should I get assuming I decide to do SCEZ or 287 ??
And third and last, What is the big diffrence between 287 and 484 and if you do 287 do you still have to take 286 and 287??
That's about it for now.
Thanks
:roll:
Louis
Howard Kushner
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Congrats on SCJP... 1 down and 3 to go...
My boss likes IBM too... we are also partners.
You can go straight to the 287 whenever you feel ready.
Buy my book
www.mc-store.com/5212.html
For info on the IBM CED tests see:
http://www-1.ibm.com/certify/certs/adedwssv5.shtml
Any more questions? I will be more than happy to answer any questions you may have, now or in the not too distant future
Best Regards,


Howard Kushner<br />IBM Certified Enterprise Developer - WebSphere Studio Application Developer V5.0<br />IBM Certified Advanced System Administrator - WebSphere Application Server V5.0<br />IBM Certified Solution Developer - Web Services with WebSphere Studio V5.1<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1931182108/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Developing J2EE Applications with WebSphere Studio</a> my Certification Study Guide for IBM Test 287
Louis - Jean Morisset
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Howard, thanks for answering. I have to say that you could be accused of trying to seel your book but I don't think you are . In any case, here is another question for you and who ever else want's to take a crack at it. As I was talking with some people from work during lunch, our company has incentives from IBM to have it's people certified by Them. Manly IBM pays (pardon my English writing I'm French Canadian and proud of it, but my English writting suffers sometimes.) anyways, as I was saying IBM pays for it. And by the same token, you sell books . But here is the question. Would the Sun certification be more valuable since they would concentrate more on the Java/ J2EE and others specifications aspect instead of adapting the certification to there product like IBM would to for Websphere and BEA would do for Weblogic. I'm sure that either way you get extremly good knowledge, but bang for the buck, would the Sun certifications be better?? So shouldn't you go for lets say SCEA instead of the 287 from IBM??? I really would like to have thoughts on this.

Thanks
Louis
Howard Kushner
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Have you heard of jCert? Check it out.
http://www.jcert.org/
Life is full of difficult decisions...
I must admit that (IMNSHO) IBM has superior products.
Also the IBM certs require in depth knowledge of the specs as well as real work experience. It's not all about their tooling. You might want to check out the sample tests at:
http://certify.torolab.ibm.com
Regards,
[ October 23, 2003: Message edited by: Howard Kushner ]
dinesh pande
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I have visited JCert Site .. Well, actually i am following the steps to attain the enterprise developer from Jcert.
Could some one tell me what does it mean to have a JCert Certficate , and wat is written on the certificate [ what if i take BEA instead of IBM ]
I am confused as well.
could some throw some light please
SJ Adnams
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Howard, thanks for answering. I have to say that you could be accused of trying to seel your book

hehe I just ordered it
Louis - Jean Morisset
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I guess I'm a sucker for advertisement, I ordered it too . Howy, you should stop programming and start selling
Eh Howard, (I may be French, but I am Canadian too, eh!!!) are you like IBM, if we pass our certification with your book, do you reimburse???
Thanks for your comments, life you said Howard, like IS full of difficult decisions. Like this weekend, all this time and I don't know what I'm going to do. I think I'll start with a well deserved beer to celebrate my newly SCJP certification. Can you believe I haven't had one yet!!! , have one for me will ya boys!!
Cheers
Louis
[ October 24, 2003: Message edited by: Louis - Jean Morisset ]
Louis - Jean Morisset
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Joined: Aug 25, 2003
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Howard, One last thing to make sure that I did order the right book. Your book will help is a study book to help for the IBM certification exam 287 right??? And the 287 is the advanced EJB devloper exam right??
Thanks
Louis
Howard Kushner
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Hello Louis,
In a word yes.
For more info check out the following URLs:
Test 287 Objectives
http://www-1.ibm.com/certify/tests/obj287.shtml
Test 287 Recommended Educational Resources
http://www-1.ibm.com/certify/tests/edu287.shtml
IBM CED Role Desciption
http://www-1.ibm.com/certify/certs/adedwssv5.shtml
I should probably publish the preface to the book in PDF somewhere. It would help put it all in perspective.
Regards,
Sudd Ghosh
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I am also very confused on which to pursue next. How do JCert Enterprise Developer compares against SCEA? Which one is more valued by employers? I know it is good/desirable to do everything, but given the time constraint, I want to prioritize.
Thanks, Sudd


SCJP 1.4, SCWCD, SCBCD 1.3
Theodore Casser
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Originally posted by Sudd Ghosh:
I am also very confused on which to pursue next. How do JCert Enterprise Developer compares against SCEA? Which one is more valued by employers? I know it is good/desirable to do everything, but given the time constraint, I want to prioritize.
Thanks, Sudd

That's really two questions, ya know.
* How do JCert Enterprise Developer certs compare against SCEA?
They're separate animals, imho. SCEA is a software architect's exam, showing that you can design a system based on the requirements and explain it. ED is a series of exams showing capability of building an enterprise-class application using a vendor-specific tool/appserver. While going through the ED process, you do end up showing ability to architect, it does tend to go further and lean towards a specific vendor whereas SCEA is more neutral.
* Which cert (SCEA vs. JCert ED) is more valued by employers?
Depends on the employer, and on whether or not they're using an appserver or tool that has a JCert ED exam. Certs are only worth what an employer's or a given test-taker's willing to consider them to be worth. I don't think there's any way to find a specific dollar value it bumps one's salary, for instance.


Theodore Jonathan Casser
SCJP/SCSNI/SCBCD/SCWCD/SCDJWS/SCMAD/SCEA/MCTS/MCPD... and so many more letters than you can shake a stick at!
Billy Tsai
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IBM Certified Solution Developer - XML and Related Technologies certification is neutral too because IBM, Sun, Oracle, Micro$oft etc.... all use XML


BEA 8.1 Certified Administrator, IBM Certified Solution Developer For XML 1.1 and Related Technologies, SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCDJWS, SCJD, SCEA,
Oracle Certified Master Java EE 5 Enterprise Architect
Sudd Ghosh
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Thanks Theodore and others.
I always felt people know more about SCEA than the JCert enterprise developer stuff. I may be totally wrong, but this has been my perception. Any opinion here ?
I also wonder why JCert doesn't include SCWCD, SCBCD in its exam list for getting JCert-ED qualified ? It does have IBM-484, than why not the Sun's eqivalent SCWCD and SCBCD together ?
Thanks, Sudd
 
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