Granny's Programming Pearls
"inside of every large program is a small program struggling to get out"
JavaRanch.com/granny.jsp
The moose likes Product and Other Certifications and the fly likes java instructor certification , info ?? Big Moose Saloon
  Search | Java FAQ | Recent Topics | Flagged Topics | Hot Topics | Zero Replies
Register / Login


JavaRanch » Java Forums » Certification » Product and Other Certifications
Bookmark "java instructor certification , info ??" Watch "java instructor certification , info ??" New topic
Author

java instructor certification , info ??

dinesh pande
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 07, 2003
Posts: 124
Hi,
Does anyone know any information about how to become ' Sun Certified Java Instructor '
Thanks in advance ..
Dinesh
Billy Tsai
Ranch Hand

Joined: May 23, 2003
Posts: 1304
there is no such thing, maybe u can get all 5 java certs + phD in computer science or information system then u are definitely qualified to teach Java


BEA 8.1 Certified Administrator, IBM Certified Solution Developer For XML 1.1 and Related Technologies, SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCDJWS, SCJD, SCEA,
Oracle Certified Master Java EE 5 Enterprise Architect
dinesh pande
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 07, 2003
Posts: 124
Billy,
There is such a thing .. and you can see many people who are certified java instructors ..
With the information that I gathered so far, there is no written certification test for that. However you have to successfully pass one of the certification tests(for ex:SCJP) with 80% , and then teach the same course at some sun education centre. And then you can apply for that instructor certification..
However I wanted to clarfify this information.
Thanks
dinesh
SJ Adnams
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 28, 2001
Posts: 925
http://suned.sun.com/US/catalog/instructor/java.html
You need to do these courses,
Sun Certified Instructor for Java Programming Language Course (SL-275)
Sun Certified Instructor for Java Programming Language Course (SL-285)
Dave Cronin
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 25, 2003
Posts: 114
The courses SL-275 and SL-285 look like the courses that the instructors teach, not courses to get instructor certification. The courses are also in the J2SE Learning Path at http://suned.sun.com/US/catalog/java/j2se.html
There is another page on the "Instructor Certification Process" at http://suned.sun.com/US/catalog/instructor/index.html
However, it seems that Sun don't give exact descriptions on their website about how to get an instructor certification.


Dave Cronin
SCJP, SCWCD, SCBCD
SJ Adnams
Ranch Hand

Joined: Sep 28, 2001
Posts: 925
ya your right, that is the name of the certification, not the cerification process.
Dave Cronin
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 25, 2003
Posts: 114
There's another question here as well - how do you get a job as a Java Instructor?
andy armstrong
Ranch Hand

Joined: May 14, 2002
Posts: 154
I have emailed sun and waiting for a reply.
I would also like to become an instructor.


Certifications: <br />scp2, scea, scwcd, WL7.0, CISSP, XML
dinesh pande
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 07, 2003
Posts: 124
A month back .. I got the following mail from Sun in repsonse to my query about 'Sun Certified Java Instructor'. Please note that I made this query to Sun Australia.
-- Here it goes ..
Dinesh,
Sun does no longer hire instructors direct. We use contractors who come though our training partners.
My suggestion is if you wish to be a contract instructor then contact one of our training partners and enquire if they have vacancies.
Then get them to sponsor you to become a Sun Certified Instructor
The process from the partner end to get their instructors to an acceptable level of expertise is not for me to prescribe.
However we require all JAVA instructors to provided by the contract partner to show evidence of :
1. Prometric certification applicable to the courses they are to teach.
2.Evidence/ records that they have attended and successfully completed a recognised train-the-trainer program.
3. Attend a Sun instructor certification course
4. Sit through the actual course(s) that they are to teach at least once before teaching that course for SUN.
Our Delivery Partners who supply JAVA instructors are:
Partner Contact name
IT Spark Chris Doney 075446 3316
Customware Greg Cable 02 9900 0652
WiredLizard Maciej Bryla 0419 221 621

Best wishes,
Alan Cory
---- Original Message -----
Date Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:16:31 +0000
To education@aus.sun.com
Subject sun certified java trainer + enquiry
Dear Sir,
I am a SCJP(83%),SCWCD(76%),SCJD(150). I am very much interested
in becoming a Sun Certified Java Trainer. I have 4 years of IT
experience and taught Java in a few computer institutes for many
students in India. In the past I have initiated free java classes
for those who could'nt afford costly computer education.
I could'nt find much information on "Sun Certified Java
Trainer".
.....
Dinesh
Kathy Sierra
Cowgirl and Author
Ranch Hand

Joined: Oct 10, 2002
Posts: 1572
Howdy -- I used to be one of the three Java "master trainers" in Sun's Instructor Development Center, where I ran certification train-the-trainer classes to certify other Java instructors. So when we say, "Sun certified Java instructor", it meant that you were certified by Sun to teach a particular course using Sun Ed's courseware. But in order to go through that process, you either had to be an employee of Sun Ed, or a contractor (or employee) of an authorized training center that taught Sun Ed courses. So, a Sun Certified Java Instructor is one who has been certified by Sun to teach one or more Sun Java courses.
The process always varies, but it's pretty close to what's described in the email.
It was always on a course-by-course basis, though, so you might be certified to teach, say, SL275 (the basic Java programming course), but NOT certified to teach SL351 (EJB).
Unfortunately, the IDC program was dissolved because the entire Java training market went the way of the bubble... so while at one time (three years ago), my job was to do everything humanly possible to find, train, certifiy as many instructors as possible, within the space of a few months, that need disappeared. I have heard rumours that the Java training market is showing a few signs of life, but it's *really* minimal at this point. I have been through more than one of these bleak periods in the training world, because training is one of the FIRST things to go when things go down.
They always come back, eventually, although just as we're not likely to see another bubble like we had before in tech, we're also not likely to see another "training bubble". But we're hoping things pick back up. Technical book sales, too, are way down from where they were three years ago, so although writing books might bring in only a tiny *fraction* of what one can make teaching Java classes, it will sure be helpful to see it start to creep back up again. We hear little reports here and there that some indicators are starting to improve in tech book sales as well, just a little. Too soon to tell...
And I just thought of something... this post might be good for the teacher's forum!
cheers,
Kathy
Michael Ernest
High Plains Drifter
Sheriff

Joined: Oct 25, 2000
Posts: 7292

Just to add .02 from a contract provider's perspective:
"Sun Certified Java Instructor" sounds like an industry certification, but as people have surmised here, it's not. The title doesn't carry much market appeal, and in some cases it's a tad negative. In the training grey market -- yes, there is such a thing -- anyone asking for a "Sun Certified Java instructor" often means they want you to teach with materials that look, shall we way, very familiar to Sun's.
It's not just that the market for Java instructors in the hallowed Certified world is tight; it's saturated. Plenty of people want to do it, the demand for training has changed from people who want to learn (early- and middle-adopters) to people who must (late adopters). I have people in my company who have been teaching Java since 0.99 who can't work for Sun steadily -- there just isn't that much business in teaching the fundamentals anymore. More and more people want applied training, which means adapting those materials to the environments these people already work in AND showing them it's worth it to beat the learning curve they've wanted to avoid all this time.
Because there's nothing on the ground floor to break in to, there's very little opportunity to learn as you go the way we used to. Customers always ask for your "most experienced instructor" for probably the same reasons university undergraduates think Nobel Laureates should be teaching survey courses. But now you find more customers who cannot tolerate up-and-coming instructors, because having domain experience is no longer negotiable.
The only contract instructors I've been able to bring to Sun lately all have come from Sun itself, or other contract suppliers. If you want to break in, you'd probably have to hire on to a Sun Partner site and pay your dues. Not that there's anything wrong with that -- it's how I got my start. But forget about just jumping into contracting with Sun and making big money. No one's doing that on the Java side of the house right now.
[ November 03, 2003: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]

Make visible what, without you, might perhaps never have been seen.
- Robert Bresson
dinesh pande
Ranch Hand

Joined: Apr 07, 2003
Posts: 124
Thanks Kathy and Michael for your inputs.
Well, so i temperorily drop the idea of becoming a sun certified instructor till things seem better .
Thanks
Dinesh
 
GeeCON Prague 2014
 
subject: java instructor certification , info ??