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Non standard java technology certification

Reza Ravasizadeh
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I see none of the big companies like IBM,Oracle and... provide any certification for non standard java technologoes but they use them in their tools.
There were lots of java based technologies today used alot by developer like ant,junit,xdoclet,hibernate,spring,...
maybe authors of this site could provide it.
for example name it: BMCD(Big moose certified developer)


Reza
Theodore Casser
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Personally, I think the idea of certifications for some of the "non-standard" packages or frameworks would be a great idea... but that requires someone to develop the test, administer it, etc... and it's probably not worth the time to most of the efforts out there (as they're opensource). I could conceivably see Apache eventually coming up with a few for some of their projects, but that would be significantly down the road.

JBoss' own Certified JEMS Middleware Expert cert seems to cover Hibernate and other topics, for example. I don't see anything directly on just Hibernate, though.

But I don't really foresee anything for most of the projects coming out any time soon, much as we might like it.


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SCJP/SCSNI/SCBCD/SCWCD/SCDJWS/SCMAD/SCEA/MCTS/MCPD... and so many more letters than you can shake a stick at!
Theodore Casser
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Actually, I stand (or sit) corrected. Just got an email from JBoss that some of their certification tests are now available without taking the required class, and one of the tests they're making available to the public is the Hibernate exam. So go figure...
Reza Ravasizadeh
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very interesting news from JBOSS.
You have right there were no HR to create test but like IBM that provide lots of Java related exam I think it is valuable for them, because they get money for their test.
Theodore Casser
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Originally posted by Reza Rawassizadeh:
You have right there were no HR to create test but like IBM that provide lots of Java related exam I think it is valuable for them, because they get money for their test.


Well, it's not even the HR, necessarily. You need to think about how much it costs to create a test - something few of us here at the ranch know. (I certainly don't.) There's people to create the exam questions, to administer the test, to do the necessary research in the results to determine a passing grade, etc. I can't imagine it's a cheap proposition, with up-front costs before you sell your first exam voucher.

IBM (and Sun, and Microsoft, and others) have a benefit up-front to creating certification exams - they already have a large market of people who are either buying or using their technology and need some way to allow the folks who are very dedicated to those technologies to distinguish themselves from the rest of the marketplace. (Case in point - members of IBM's partner program can have the cost of their certification exams, if they pass, refunded. This serves to encourage the taking of tests, which allows them to present themselves as 'better' (or at least with proven skills) to potential clients, which allows IBM to further market their products.) But look at all the smaller companies who don't have such certification programs. I can't imagine in some cases that it's not from lack of wanting one...

Getting money for the test is kind of secondary and pays (I imagine) to maintain the system and weed out those who are taking the exams for the sake of taking them. The real question is how much an exam and program cost to start up...
 
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