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Why this exam is not so popular?

Vlad Golodov
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IMHO, knoledge of web services is very valuable on the market. Or it's just seems to be so unpopular?


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Valentin Crettaz
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I don't think it's not popular, it's just a little too early to tell anything... Check the following thread for another discussion on the topic:
http://www.coderanch.com/t/148199/java-Web-Services-SCDJWS/certification/Observation

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Vlad Golodov
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Thanks, Valentin
Bert Bates
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I'll throw another idea into the mix... Of all the exams Sun has created in the last several years, this one was by far the most difficult to create objectives for. As you all know the standards are all eveolving quickly, and it's really hard to put a stake in the sand, when the sand dune is moving :roll:


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Nicholas Cheung
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So Bert, when will you expect that SCDJWS will be upgraded?

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Valentin Crettaz
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So Bert, when will you expect that SCDJWS will be upgraded?

Considering that it has just been released and that the SCJP and SCEA exams will be updated by the end of 2005, I'd guess 2006.
Bert Bates
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I agree with Valentin -

this one isn't going to be upgraded anytime soon...
Deivson Rayner T. Costa
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hum... when do Bert Bates and Kathy Sierra will write the Head First Web Service?
while they doesn't write anything, does anybody knows a good study guide??

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Nicholas Cheung
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when do Bert Bates and Kathy Sierra will write the Head First Web Service?

Seems no.


does anybody knows a good study guide??

You could refer to MZ's
Free SCDJWS 1.4 Study Guide and SCDJWS 1.4 Quiz.

Nick
Mikalai Zaikin
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Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:

You could refer to MZ's
Free SCDJWS 1.4 Study Guide and SCDJWS 1.4 Quiz.

Nick


Thank you, Nick

BTW, I receive daily many emails from people who take (took) SCDJWS - so *I personally* can not say that exam is not popular

2 Deivson :

Although my preparation notes can definitely help to pass SCDJWS, it is not a replacement of other *great* sources, like: "J2EE Web Services" by RMH and "Web Services Blueprints" by Sun Microsystems.

Also, I highly recommentd to go through WS-I BP 1.0

regards,
MZ


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Robert Sull
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Please suggest which exam to take SCJWSD/SCMAD. Which one is more stable and is expected not to change in the near future?
Mikalai Zaikin
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Originally posted by Robert Sull:
Please suggest which exam to take SCJWSD/SCMAD. Which one is more stable and is expected not to change in the near future?


Hi Robert,

Both exams are very new, so you can expect that Sun will not update them in 1..2 years.

SCBCD is elder exam (more than 1 year AFAIR), even it is not going to be changed soon.

So, you can safely choose one of them based on skills demand in your area.

regards,
MZ
Billy Tsai
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maybe its because Microsoft started the webservices things with .NET first and now Sun Microsystems is trying to follow so it is unpopular.
I dont like webservices either and frankly i have no intentions of getting to know webservices


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Valentin Crettaz
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maybe its because Microsoft started the webservices things with .NET first and now Sun Microsystems is trying to follow so it is unpopular.

I don't understand the logic behind your "explanation". Could you please elaborate a little bit?
Mikalai Zaikin
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Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
maybe its because Microsoft started the webservices things with .NET first and now Sun Microsystems is trying to follow so it is unpopular.
I dont like webservices either and frankly i have no intentions of getting to know webservices




Following your logics I could say that Porsche cars are not so popular, because Ford started manufacturing cars earlier ...



BTW, there is also IBM Exam for Web Services (AFAIR, 000-288)

regards,
MZ

P.S. And the main reason why Sun Microsystems did not release that test before is that Basic Profile 1.0 was released just recently, and without stanard not much use of web services, since main goal behind them is interoperability
Nicholas Cheung
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I agree with MZ.

In fact, both 310-220 and IBM 288 are very similar and challenging. IBM focus more on how to use WSAD to develop Web Services applications, while SUN focus on the basic and details on Java Web Services.

Nick
dinesh pande
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In my opinion I believe "popular" word is very relative. The frequence/number of posts related to this exam on this site can help one get an idea of whats up with this exam.

Definitely not as popular as other exams. But soon it will get better.
Nicholas Cheung
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Definitely not as popular as other exams. But soon it will get better.

I think so because Web Services is currently the expected future trend, if we wanna making full use of the interoperability.

Nick
Madhu Kumar Vatts
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Hi

I am in a confusion to chose which exam among IBM 288 and SCDJWS. I think that IBM 288 gives us how to work with webservices with Websphere while SCDJWS only concepts. Also does IBM sends a certificate in case we pass this exam.(As you know that IBM 486 has no certificate and is a prerequisite to IBM Certified Enterprise Developer, Is it the same with this too?)

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Madhu


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Mikalai Zaikin
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Originally posted by Madhu Kumar Vatts:
Hi

I am in a confusion to chose which exam among IBM 288 and SCDJWS. I think that IBM 288 gives us how to work with webservices with Websphere while SCDJWS only concepts. Also does IBM sends a certificate in case we pass this exam.(As you know that IBM 486 has no certificate and is a prerequisite to IBM Certified Enterprise Developer, Is it the same with this too?)

Thanks
Madhu


You're right, SCDJWS - is vendor-neutral, IBM 288 - WSAD 5.1 oriented.

AFAIK, there is a paper certificate for 000-288, but Nicholas can confirm for sure

regards,
MZ
Nicholas Cheung
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You're right, SCDJWS - is vendor-neutral, IBM 288 - WSAD 5.1 oriented.

More precisely, IBM 288 is for WSAD 5.1.1


AFAIK, there is a paper certificate for 000-288, but Nicholas can confirm for sure

You can receive a certificate after you passed IBM 288. Thus, you have no worry on the cert. issue.

Nick
Durga Prasad
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can any one suggest a book for preparing IBM288 exam?
Nicholas Cheung
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can any one suggest a book for preparing IBM288 exam?

IBM's Redbook: WebSphere Version 5.0.2 Application Developer Version 5.1 Web Services Handbook.

You could download it from:
http://w3.itso.ibm.com/itsoapps/Redbooks.nsf/9445fa5b416f6e32852569ae006bb65f/d336dbf7a0ae01c385256d5000578477?OpenDocument

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