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SCDJWS X IBM 288 X IBM 141

Americo Souza
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Joined: Nov 22, 2004
Posts: 76
Can anybody tell me the main differences about those certifications? I guess that should be:
SCDJWS - Java oriented
IBM 288 - Java and WAS oriented
IBM 141 - main stream. I believe that it includes all the other ones.

Am I correct? Which one has the best market value? Which one will give you a better overall knowledge about the technology? IBM 141?


AMERICO SOUZA<br />MSCS, BSCS and BSEE <br />ACHIEVEMENTS<br />CompTIA (A+), Cisco (CCNA), Oracle (OCA - PL/SQL), Sun (Java, J2EE and EJB).<br />Currently persuing Oracle's Forms Certification
Bricex Lin
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Joined: Feb 06, 2004
Posts: 17
Hi,

Sun SCDJWS tests generic Java Web Services knowledge;
IBM 288 tests Java Web Services knowledge too, but it is product(Websphere and websphere studio) oriented;
IBM 141 tests XML technologies(eg.XML, DTD, XSD, ..), XML processing(DOM, SAX, ...), and XML rendering(XSLT, XPath, ...).

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Americo Souza
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Joined: Nov 22, 2004
Posts: 76
Hi Bricex

What is the relationship between web services and XML certifications? Are web services cert included in XML one? I mean, is XML more generic and gives you more overall knowledge about the technology?

Right now, I am preparing to take two IBM tests in one weekend (287 and 484) in order to get the ICED. Their contents are pretty similar.

But how about those certifications that I mentioned before? It looks like SCDJWS and IBM 288 are almost identical.
Nicholas Cheung
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Joined: Nov 07, 2003
Posts: 4982

What is the relationship between web services and XML certifications? Are web services cert included in XML one? I mean, is XML more generic and gives you more overall knowledge about the technology?

They are not related in the aspect of getting certified. However, as Web Services is based on XML, and thus, might be knowing more in XML make you easier to learn Web Services.


Right now, I am preparing to take two IBM tests in one weekend (287 and 484) in order to get the ICED. Their contents are pretty similar.

287 focus on developing JSP, Servlets and EJB on WSAD while 484 focus on various J2EE technologies, not only JSP, Servlets and EJB, but also JDBC, JCA, JAAS, JAXP, etc.


But how about those certifications that I mentioned before? It looks like SCDJWS and IBM 288 are almost identical.

SCDJWS focus on generic areas under J2EE, while IBM's focus on how to use WSAD to develop Web Services applications.

Nick


SCJP 1.2, OCP 9i DBA, SCWCD 1.3, SCJP 1.4 (SAI), SCJD 1.4, SCWCD 1.4 (Beta), ICED (IBM 287, IBM 484, IBM 486), SCMAD 1.0 (Beta), SCBCD 1.3, ICSD (IBM 288), ICDBA (IBM 700, IBM 701), SCDJWS, ICSD (IBM 348), OCP 10g DBA (Beta), SCJP 5.0 (Beta), SCJA 1.0 (Beta), MCP(70-270), SCBCD 5.0 (Beta), SCJP 6.0, SCEA for JEE5 (in progress)
Marcelo Sousa Ancelmo
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Joined: Jan 17, 2002
Posts: 497

They are not related in the aspect of getting certified. However, as Web Services is based on XML, and thus, might be knowing more in XML make you easier to learn Web Services.


I totally agree with Nicholas, in the SCDJWS there are a much questions about WSDL, SOAP, UDDI, all of then use XML documents, as i had made XML exam by IBM i find much more easier to learn these technologies, due to my background gained studying for 141 exam, mainly the questions about XML Schema.

What can i say about the Three exams?
Well, 141 exam is focused in XML and their related technologies like, XML Schema, DTD, XPath, XSL, XSL-FO, a little about SOAP, WSDL and UDDI.
SCDJWS is about using Web Services in the J2EE 1.4 Plataform, it is about SOAP, WSDL, UDDI and the various Java technologies to use it like JAX-RPC, SAAJ, JAXR and so on, so, like I said before, you will had some questions that a good knowledge about XML will help.
IBM 288 is about creating Web Services using WSAD, it asks about the technologies but it focus on how use tthen in the WSAD enviroment, I can't say too much about that exam because I didin't take it until now, maybe by the end of december.

My advice, 141, SCDJWS and then 288.

At least, that was my choice.

Regards,


Marcelo Sousa Ancelmo - Brazil
garth schneider
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Joined: Mar 20, 2002
Posts: 95
I would not even deal with IBM 288 any more. WebSphere Application Server 6.0 is coming out. It will not be long until IBM 288 will be old (as it deals with WSAD 5.1.1). The Sun Certification is more platform neutral. I think it stays valid longer. I am preparing for SCJWCD now over the IBM 288.

Garth

IBM Certified Enterprise Developer V5.0
Americo Souza
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Joined: Nov 22, 2004
Posts: 76
I would like to thank you everybody for your explanations. They helped me to decide the next certification test which I will take, SUN SCDJWS
Nicholas Cheung
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Joined: Nov 07, 2003
Posts: 4982
WebSphere Application Server 6.0 is coming out. It will not be long until IBM 288 will be old (as it deals with WSAD 5.1.1). The Sun Certification is more platform neutral.

It is a normal case because vendors always wanna upgrade their products. In fact, there is no rule of thumb that what exams should be taken. It really depends on whether you need vendor specific certs.

Nick
 
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