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I.M.H.O. preparitions for passing the exam

peter cooke
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I had to take the exam before my voucher expired, just passed 73% and wanted to give my feed back.

Since I started out knowing nothing about XML and web services.

RMH book: worth the read. Helped me get a lot of concepts and vocabulary.

MZ's study guide and practice exam: very worth while. I started to read MZ's stuff before I had concepts and vocabulary to understand what he was talking about. Ended reading RMH first. I still find some things referenced are over my head.

Whizlabs practice exam - I found thier exam to barely be useful on the exam.
Yes it got me in the mode of taking questions.

Sun's practice lab- I want my money back... Unless they improve the questions don't waist your money on it.

Java API for XML Web Services (JAX-WS) 2.0: Thank god I had taken a little time to skim this.

recommendations: know what makes the various versions of WSDL and soap different.

I was definitely disappointed in the practice exams.


CIAO Peter M. Cooke
Mikalai Zaikin
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Peter, congratulations !!!

Great Job !

regards,
MZ


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Peer Reynders
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Congratulations Peter!

Originally posted by peter cooke:
Java API for XML Web Services (JAX-WS) 2.0: Thank god I had taken a little time to skim this.


Why would you say that? The exam as far as I know tests JAX-RPC 1.1 not JAX-WS 2.0 (formerly JAX-RPC 2.0).

So how would skimming the JAX-WS 2.0 API help?
peter cooke
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As I understand the exam covers jaxrpc 1.1 for J2EE 1.4.

Please correct me if wrong. JSR-224 wraps up all the webservices specks for J2EE 1.5

I hate reading specifications as much as the next guy, why read 2 different versions of the speck. The oldest speck for the exam and the new speck to see what is comming in the next 2 years. Since most specks are backward compatable, why not just cut the chase and read JSR 224. The concepts will not change that much.
Peer Reynders
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Thank You for responding Peter.

Originally posted by peter cooke:
I hate reading specifications as much as the next guy

Point taken.

Originally posted by peter cooke:
Since most specks are backward compatable, why not just cut the chase and read JSR 224. The concepts will not change that much.


After seeing the differences between Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2 to Servlet 2.4/JSP 2.0 I would be reluctant (and consider it risky) to prepare with an advanced version of the specification. Furthermore it seems that the JAX-WS 2.0 is a bit of a break-away (probably for good reasons, see Richard Monson-Haefel about JAX-RPC is Bad, Bad, Bad!) from JAX-RPC 1.1; see also JAX-RPC 2.0 renamed to JAX-WS 2.0. It seems JAX-WS drops many JAX-RPC "APIs of these legacy methods and interfaces" which are fair game in the exam that requires you to know JSR101/JAX-RPC 1.1.
[ October 17, 2005: Message edited by: Peer Reynders ]
Mudunuri Raju
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Congratulations...........

Could you please let me know, what material you use for Security topics.

Apprciate the help.

Cheers
Srinivas (SCJP, SCJD, SCEA, SCBCD, WEBLOGIC-7.0)


Srini.
peter cooke
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I honestly could not say there were any real webservice security questions.


EJB end points rely on EJB security.
Servlet endpoints have access to rudimentary security through servlet security.

At least the practice exams were accuate in that part not being on the exam.

I know I answered wrong all questions of: What feature was added/removed/modified changed between version X.X.X and X.X.Y in (WSDL,SOAP,BP). There were 3-4 of these darn questions.
Mikalai Zaikin
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Mudunuri, for security objectives you can use the following notes:

Chapter 8. Security

HTH,
MZ
Raju Sri
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Hi Peer Reynders,

First let me congratulate you on your success.

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I know I answered wrong all questions of: What feature was added/removed/modified changed between version X.X.X and X.X.Y in (WSDL,SOAP,BP). There were 3-4 of these darn questions.
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As per above message,can you tell me what kind of questions are comming in exam ? Do we need to keep track of all versions of WSDL,SOAP and BP for exam ?
Can you please tell me more details on how to prepare about these questions.


Thanks.
Raju


SCJP 1.4<br />SCWCD 1.4<br />SCBCD 1.3<br />SCDJWS 1.4
peter cooke
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I am not sure where to find a list of feature delta's for the various versions of soap, wsdl, bp, xml, jaxr, bp, jaxrpc,......

If the speck change is not to great (2.0 to 2.1) I would hope that the
speck would have a feature change listing.
Billy Tsai
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so the notes on MZ's SCDJWS study guide would be sufficient to cover for the objective in the exam that weren't covered in RMH's J2EE webservices book?


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peter cooke
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Yes MZ's stuff is more than enough. The security qestions (only) from whizlab were more difficult than the actual exam's security questions. If you can pass those questions not a problem.

My disappointment with the practice exam products (whizlab, sun) is that over all the questions did not accurately reflect the difficulty of the really hard/offTheWall questions on one wierd behaviors of some XML,SML,JAXR..... standards.

There were 5 or 6 questions, that I could not eliminate any obviously wrong choices, and all choices looked equally correct. I just said "**** another question I have no clue on."
Billy Tsai
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how come there are some parts of MZ notes missing?
some objectives don't have any notes
 
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