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Laojar Chuger
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Joined: Dec 20, 2000
Posts: 111
After reviewing the messages here, a strange question comes out. That is why we want to do SCJEA?
If you ask me, I would say to learn more. What's yours?
John Davis
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Joined: Nov 02, 2000
Posts: 189
Make a lot of money?
Mirko Froehlich
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Joined: Aug 21, 2000
Posts: 114
I am still trying to figure out whether I want to go for the SCEA or not, but I am pretty sure that I will eventually do this, for the same reason as you. Sure, it will be nice to have another item on the resume, but in reality it is experience that counts, not certifications. However, getting the certification would be a good opportunity for me to study certain architectural things that I don't have a lot or even any experience with right now.
-Mirko
Mark Herschberg
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Joined: Dec 04, 2000
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I'm a big believer that certification does not help you land a job--or does so minimally; the more advanced the position, the less certification help, because the more the company can consider your experience.
The advantage to SCJEA is that it is a well defined goal. it can help you consider what you need to learn, and test prep materials help you learn it.
I would suggest taking the test syllabus, and designing a system which uses the concepts and APIs it covers. In either case you learn the material. In the latter case, you learn by doing, and can show prospective employers what you've done, instead of just saying, "yeah, I know it on paper."

--Mark
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Christopher Kerns
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Joined: Jan 30, 2001
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Currently, I'm a SCJP who codes all day. I enjoy doing higher level things, like system design, as well. I am hoping that getting the SCJEA will demonstrate that I have a solid understanding of the concepts, and will encourage someone to give the chance to have more responsibility.
Experience is always key. But sometimes inexperienced people can do well, too, if they are smart. I believe that if your certification is beyond what people would expect from your experience, it says good things about you.
The reality is, SCJP hasn't gotten me Jack. Hiring managers only (I should say "primarly") care about time on the job. Very few people seem to realize that 3 years of experience doesn't help if you have had very bad habits for the past 3 years!!!
Anil Vupputuri
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Joined: Oct 31, 2000
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Originally posted by Christopher Kerns:
Currently, I'm a SCJP who codes all day. I enjoy doing higher level things, like system design, as well. I am hoping that getting the SCJEA will demonstrate that I have a solid understanding of the concepts, and will encourage someone to give the chance to have more responsibility.
Experience is always key. But sometimes inexperienced people can do well, too, if they are smart. I believe that if your certification is beyond what people would expect from your experience, it says good things about you.
The reality is, SCJP hasn't gotten me Jack. Hiring managers only (I should say "primarly") care about time on the job. Very few people seem to realize that 3 years of experience doesn't help if you have had very bad habits for the past 3 years!!!

I feel, architect needs to be thorough with extensive OOP concepts which come along with long run of coding i.e, Developer albeit it may happen in reverse way i.e., becoming architect without having coding practice but the one who does coding will be a real architect in a long run.
Architect can not born in a single day learning some skills over the night.Architect requires thorough UML which in turn requires OOP,OOD and Analysis which comes with some minimum coding.
So i feel hierarchy goes from developer to architect for a better and sustainable projects in a IT.


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Jeff, Carlson
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Joined: Feb 20, 2001
Posts: 6
The main reason is for yourself. To make you a better all around developer. The skills will give you a better overall picture which by default should make you better. The other reason is for people who have experience and are out trying to get a job, that if two are equal in experience, the one with the most certifications wins!
Laojar Chuger
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Joined: Dec 20, 2000
Posts: 111
Architecture is typically a kind of thing that you have to learn or to invent. I believe mostly we have to learn and to study the works from others, and the best source is that of already in the books. Most of time, I guess the invent only makes thing worse. Experience doesn't necessary make you experienced in good stuff.
Depending on where you are, the experience could really give you bad programming habits and you may even not know. However, you will know what's wrong when you have been trained in first.
Tony Chen
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Joined: Jan 29, 2001
Posts: 286
Hi, Laojar
Set SCJEA as my goal and keep studying and working for it, I know I won't end up in nowhere.


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