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Part II and III of the Exam

Amgad Zakaria
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Joined: Mar 01, 2001
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Hello,
Can somebody shed some light about part II and III of the Architecture exam? A posting here claimed that they don't
involve any coding. Is this true? What's exactly the nature
of the exam, and how much does it take -- on average -- to
complete? Any information will be appreciated.
Thanks!
Amgad
John Wetherbie
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Joined: Apr 05, 2000
Posts: 1449
Parts 2 & 3 of the SCEA do not require any code. Part 2 is a architecture/design project and part 3 is a set of essay questions related to your project. My understanding is that you have a year to complete part 2 but how long it actually takes is up to you.
John


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Manuel Palacio
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Joined: Oct 16, 2000
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Hi,
No code in part II?
What is the nature of the design project then?
Regards
/Manuel


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John Wetherbie
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You have to come up with a design based on the documentation provided and express it in UML diagrams.
John
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Tiger Scott
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Is anybody doing part II now and would like to share expreiences. I am just waiting to register (and download).
Sanjay
John Wetherbie
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I've downloaded part 2 and briefly looked at it but that's as far as I have gotten. I have too many other things consuming my copious free time.
John
Tiger Scott
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I finally downloaded it. Will give it a go one of these days.
Sanjay
Greg Simpson
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Joined: Mar 27, 2001
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I have recently passed Part 1 and downloaded Part 2.
( thanks for all of the info everyone! )
I haven't read the assignment in detail yet, but I
think it would be great to have some group support
to help maintain momentum and motivation!
Danl Thompson
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Joined: Apr 04, 2001
Posts: 93
I just finished my part II and III. Although I haven't gotten my grade yet.
Aside from understanding J2EE and how to apply it, you really need to know UML very well. The hardest part for me was that I was not familar with the UML tool I was using - and so it was more work than it should have been. In hindsight it would have been well worth it to spend a couple of weeks with the tool before working on the exam.
I was talking to someone on e-groups who was considering using Visio to do the diagrams. Let me tell you, it would be a slow torturous process. Best thing I can tell you is to start with a good UML tool, learn to express yourself using it, and then do your best.
dan'l
Tiger Scott
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Hi dan'l,
I am in the process of doing my Part II. A question for you- how detailed were your class diagrams ( I know you have'nt got your grade yet). And how detailed were your classes- in terms of methods and attribs. The requirements did suggest that classes may not be so detailed but did not mention anything about the class diagrams. I am trying to use TogetherJ as the tool- it does good reverese engineering.
Thanks
Sanjay
Danl Thompson
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I've heard of people drawing out all the swing classes, etc. But in my mind that's just wrong. This is a J2EE archicture exam, not a programmer/developer exam. That level of detail is out of place.
I think what we are really looking at is a specification level class diagram. So you want to show navigability and all the major public methods of the important classes. You want to show the important attributes. You want to show good use of patterns. You want to show the architecturally interesting parts of the system, like that pesky domain model. You want to show the elements that make this an enterprise application.
dan'l
Tiger Scott
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dan'l,
Thanks.
I finally have uploaded the project.
Any tips for the exam?
Thanks
Sanjay
 
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