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Part II: UML Tool suggestions?

Gennady Shapiro
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Would anyone recommend a UML tool to use for this assigment?
Most obvious choice would be Rational Rose, but this monster is 250 Mb dowlnload size and trial version expires in 15 days. I looked over it and I dont see a "save-as-image" option either.
Anyone?
Bagwan Mehrat
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Yes, terrible, isn't it?
Rose used to have a longer trial period.
I've seen TogetherJ recommended highly here, but last I checked, TogetherSoft integrated TogetherJ with Together Control Center, or something like that, and they required too much hoop jumping for me to try it out.
I ended up using Visio 2002, which I happened to have on hand, but I used it mostly as a drawing tool, using stock lines and rectangles for a lot of things, because some of their UML features were a bit buggy.
I remember one person here used MS Paint successfully. There's a popular open source UML tool called Argo/UML. I wonder if anyone here has tried that?
Tim Duncan
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Originally posted by Bagwan Mehrat:
There's a popular open source UML tool called Argo/UML. I wonder if anyone here has tried that?

It has become PoseidonUML and there is a "professional" supported version, and a free community version. See the page on Freshmeat ... http://freshmeat.net/projects/poseidon/
It used to be pretty clunky (big'n'slow) but that was a while ago, so it may well have improved.
... and of course if you don't like it, you can always ask for your money back :-)
SJ Adnams
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I used Paint Shop Pro 4.1 shareware.
Bagwan Mehrat
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Simon,
That's crazy. Maybe it was you I was thinking of when I mentioned MS Paint (though that would be worse). How much work is that to make all those diagrams with PAINT SHOP anyway!?! (I see that you're an OCA now, BTW, good job!)
We should really come to a consensus on a good UML tool for the assignment. Before, using TogetherJ seemed to be a no-brainer, but since its incorporation into TogetherSoft ControlCenter, it's been hard to get a trial copy (at least, it was when I tried a few months ago).
I just happened to be lucky because we have that ubiquitous multi-thousand dollar per seat MSDN Universal Subscription at work, so I had Visio.
Someone out there try out that PoseidonUML thingie that Tim mentioned, and let us know if it's any good.
SJ Adnams
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Bagwan,
I would have used Rose, but I only had access to it at work and it's near impossible to use it without a 'genuine' license. Same with Together J, I have it installed here at home but can't seem to figure out how to license it.
I did start using Enterprise Architect (http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/) to re-engineer petstore and rough out my design. I wasn't happy with how it was laying out the sequence diagrams so just started using Paint Shop Pro. It didn't take very long since there was a lot of cut and paste involved.
Simon
Alex Pisarev
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Originally posted by Gennady Shapiro:
Would anyone recommend a UML tool to use for this assigment?
Most obvious choice would be Rational Rose, but this monster is 250 Mb dowlnload size and trial version expires in 15 days. I looked over it and I dont see a "save-as-image" option either.
Anyone?

There's Web publish option there instead.
Mark Spritzler
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Or my favorite UML tool.
Visual Notepad. JK.
Imagine all those minus signs to just make a box.
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Chris Mathews
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MagicDraw is a very good UML tool. Check it out at www.magicdraw.com. You can get an academic license for $99. If you are already paying $250 for the assignment why not drop the extra few dollars and get a good tool?
Together is a great tool but the pricing is completely unbelievably expensive, esspecially considering the number of bugs in there product. Definitely expect more if I were to drop $10K on a CASE tool.
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Chris Mathews ]
Robin Zhang
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How about Rational Rose? please advise.
Chris Mathews
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Rational Rose is a good tool (I still like Together better for round-trip engineering). It has the same cons as Together: price, price, and price.
As far as SCEA part II is concerned, both Together and Rose are overkill. You will only be using 5% of the product's potential.
If you have a license of Rose or Together thru your company then by all means use that. If you don't have anything then I would suggest either going with Argo if you don't want to pay anything or even better drop the $100 and get the Academic version of MagicDraw.
Michael Pearson
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I am evaluating two low-cost tools:
(1) SmartDraw and
(2) MagicDraw
SmartDraw is a comprehensive drawing package, not a CASE tool. The pricing on the website is a little confusing.
A one-seat license can be purchased for:
(1) Standard $69,
(2) Professional $129, and
(3) Professional Plus $198
MagicDraw appears to have a lot of features for a low-cost CASE tool.
A one-seat license can be purchased for:
(1) Standard $299,
(2) Professional $699,
(3) Academic Standard $99, and
(4) Academic Professional $299
Right now I am leaning toward MagicDraw. With Rational Rose at $5,000 (US) per seat I cannot justify it for all but the most complex large-scale projects. For stand-alone or small-team development I think MagicDraw will be very productive.
MagicDraw Features:
MagicDraw Features
I hope this thread is helpful. Both of these applications can be downloaded for trial.
[ April 27, 2002: Message edited by: Michael Pearson ]
Vivek Viswanathan
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Hi
I am using TogetherSoft 5.5 and it is quite good, I have not tired out Rational Rose. As for TogetherSoft I am using it for generating the class diagrams for the pet Store ,but I am not able to do it, all that I get is the class diagrams for class that are in the same package. I am not able to an overall class diagram for all the class that exits in the system. What I realy want is a tool that will give me all the class that are assciated with the current class that I am looking at, for getting this feature I am using JBuilder 6 , which has a UML feature and it gives me what I want. IS there any way that I can get the same feature in Together Soft, rather than hopping for JBuilder and Together every now and then ( they both are monstor applications - and take up a lot of CPU )
Vivek


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Seema Hanji
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I am evaluating embarcadero's Describe UML tool.
It's pretty good . You can download 15-day evaluation version from here ...
http://www.embarcadero.com/downloads/downloaddescribe.asp
By setting back PC time works for me to evaluate for more dys
[ April 28, 2002: Message edited by: Seema Hanji ]
 
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