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passed Part II/III with 76%

flying jordan

Joined: Aug 02, 2002
Posts: 22
I passed part II/III with 76%. My score is relatively low. Anyway, getting the certificate is still sweet.
Harsh Deshpande

Joined: May 13, 2002
Posts: 16
Could I ask where you lost the points and your guess on the reasons for that.
Lipman Li
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Joined: May 02, 2002
Posts: 122
what a low score, exactly same with me.
Ian B Anderson
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Joined: Jun 26, 2001
Posts: 275
Hey a pass is a pass!
vital kumar

Joined: Jul 29, 2002
Posts: 18
Congrats Jordan,
Again let me stress the point
A Pass is a Pass...
doesn't matter how much you score.....

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SJ Adnams
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Joined: Sep 28, 2001
Posts: 925
I disagree. Is it better to study 100 hours and pass with 99%, or study 75 hours and pass with 76%?
Ok so the relationship may not be linear - but it shows 'real intelligence' if you can judge that you have done enough study and are ready for the exam. Going the extra mile and getting high marks does not get extra kudos.
Ok, so now you are going to tell me that you spent months on the project and drew umpteen class diagrams?
Nice One
Johannes Postma
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Joined: Jan 22, 2002
Posts: 51
Did you use a framework? If you did, which framework did you use?

Johannes<br /> <br />SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCDJWS, SCEA, ICSA (IBM 340)
flying jordan

Joined: Aug 02, 2002
Posts: 22
I submitted exactly one class, one component and four sequence diagrams. I can't recall how many hours I put on that. probably it is about 50 hours totally. I mainly lost points in class and component diagrams.
Ashish Sarin
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Joined: Nov 20, 2000
Posts: 432
hi all,
I think the concept of "A Pass is a Pass" is not something that matters. Some people do spend less time and get a pass score & some people spend lot of time & even then they end up scoring less. I dont think ceritifications are means of giving you an upper edge anywhere in job because the thing that matters is that you did the certification & at the same time gained knowledge. When applying for a job your resume may get shortlisted but everything depends upon the interview & how you perform once you are in job.
My personal thinking is that the certifications should not be treated as a piece of hard paper that can help your resume to get shortlisted. Certifications are the means of learning new technologies & at the same time enhancing your skills. The % scored in the certification doesn't matter, but yes if you have spend time on it & tried to gain knowledge then it DOES MATTER. A guy with low score may be more knowledgeable than the one who scored more.
In my opinion " A pass is not a pass unless you have gained some knowledge by taking the certification exam "
ashish sarin
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Gerald Davis
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Joined: May 15, 2002
Posts: 872
If you need this certification to get into the IT industry ,as your first job. Then the higher the score the better; especially as this is the toughest IT certification I know. By the way does anyone know of a tougher IT certification?
Byron Estes
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Joined: Feb 21, 2002
Posts: 313
The most important thing is learning to emply the technology correctly, not everyone tests well. Situations are different and there is always a certain amount of subjectivity. However, it is nice to have a third party to affirm your competence. If it improves the way you work (day to day), that's what really counts.
I just took the exam (part I) on 8/8. Purchased the assignment on friday, but haven't gotten the authorization to download yet.
Can't wait to get started.

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flying jordan

Joined: Aug 02, 2002
Posts: 22
Gerald, I don't totally agree with you. I don't think people should use this certificate to enter IT. This is an architect level certificate. For people trying to enter IT for the first job, they should focus on more fundamentals, coding, real world hand-on projects. For myself, I am already in IT for a few years. The purpose for me is to learn. For those who are trying to enter IT, if you don't show people your real world skills, even a 100% score doesn't help at all. Can you hire an architect without IT experience but with a 100 score certificate ?
As for if this is the toughest certificate, I am not sure. Personally I feel I spent more hours on SCJD certificate, I spent at least 100 hours on that SCJD project and get the certificate. But I spent less time on SCEA. However SCEA requires broader knowledge. So, it is hard to compare.
flying jordan

Joined: Aug 02, 2002
Posts: 22
I should also be happy to say I have earned all 4 java certificates: SCJP2 (82%), SCJD (96%), SCWCD (86%), SCEA (76%).
Gerald Davis
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Joined: May 15, 2002
Posts: 872
Flying, I have not had an IT job before, and of course, I am going to start as a lowly Systems-Programmer. However, having SCJD and SCJEA will help me to get that first job. Who knows I might get a job before getting my IT degree, which I will receive in 2 years from now. I am sure that a future employee will appreciate a programmer with a knowledge of UML (pictures say a thousand words), and J2EE. Flying I also want to get all 4 certifications, for me that means completing part II SCJEA and the easy SCWD.
p.s I wish, I had the name Flying, you Americans have cool names.
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