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Does this mean I am calling you lazy?

Madhav Lakkapragada
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Ranchers:
I wanted your opinions on this suggestion...
Scenario:
A person registers. Posts something like
"Hi: I am new here. I want to learn such-and-such. I like this forum but not very familiar with it. yada yada yada..."
In this scenario, as a person who has been here for a little while I say:
"Welcome....Then I add also use the search facility."
Personally, I don't think says you are lazy.
Do you think you are being called lazy when someone says "Use the search."?

Just curious...... :roll:
- satya


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Shivaji Marathe
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If there was a FAQ ( for some of the most popular forums at least ) it would help.
I can volunteer to take a first shot at a FAQ for the programmer certification forum.
Marilyn de Queiroz
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Ummmm. Programmer's Cert already has an FAQ here.

[UD: updated the URL]


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Michael Ernest
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Sometimes people take "use the search" as the Web equivalent for RTFM. The classic dichotomy between the beginner/newbie and expert/veteran follows from this. Veterans forget, because they're too busy feeling important, that most beginners want to make introductions first, get information second. Beginners forget, because they're too busy feeling new, that they all look the same.
So while it's not rude to say "use the search," new people to the site may perceive the answer to be terse or even gruff.
[ February 05, 2002: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]

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Madhav Lakkapragada
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Michael, did you ever think of being a Congressman or a Senator.....just curious...
Awesome answer.
- satya
Michael Ernest
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Well, you know, somewhere in my future there might be some kind of 'leadership' role. Who knows.
Thank you for the compliment.
Ashik Uzzaman
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Joined: Jul 05, 2001
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Ppl may take in it in this manner...but i would be rather glad to have the clue in this way. I think this is the way u bartenders should go ....


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Rick Reumann
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I agree most newbies won't even try the search, but I've tried it and I actually don't think it is that good. Compare it to say when you use listerv for a mailing list and search the archives of your list. You at least get back some words from the post as to what the topic pertains to outside of just the subject line itself.
I posted this in the certification forum but there are a lot of poblems with using this third party software. I would love to work on rebuilding this whole site in JSP. We would not be limited than by what we can and can not to.
Still better yet I wish you could subscribe to the different topics on the ranch as mailing lists here. Most decent email programs all can thread messages so you wouldn't lose the thread and it would just be so much more efficient.
I know I'm probably the only one that feels this way
Marilyn de Queiroz
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As you peruse the rest of the site, I think you will notice that the pages outside the forums are already in jsp.
[ February 09, 2002: Message edited by: Marilyn deQueiroz ]
Madhav Lakkapragada
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Most decent email programs all can thread messages so you wouldn't lose the thread and it would just be so much more efficient

I am no guru, but aren't you comparing apples and oranges in this stmt...
I think you are refering to newsgorups sorta thing when you say email programs and threads.
But javaranch is a message board not a newsgroup or a majordomo kinda appln.
I do admit your suggestions are good and I agree with you to a certain extent.
- satya
Rick Reumann
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Originally posted by Madhav Lakkapragada:
[b] I think you are refering to newsgorups sorta thing when you say email programs and threads.

Sorry to be confusing Actually since I'm into e-mail clients I actually did mean most of them could keep track of threads of email- that is replies to an email etc are all found set up sort of like how they are in newsgroups. I know The Bat!, Pocomail, and Becky all do this and I think Pegasus does now also. Not sure about Lookout and LookoutExpress though as I can't stand them (not that I'm anti microsoft, they just aren't good e-mail clients .
Anyway, I can deal with this web based forum ok, even though I would rather it be an e-mail list. Nothing beats the JavaRanch for posts and help, so even though there are other e-mail lists and newsgroups for certain topics, they just don't compare to the JavaRanch (at least as far as Certification study goes).
At least adding the ability to be notified by e-mail when ANY thread is replied to would be a HUGE bonus. I hope iggypop, or whatever the name of the provider of the message board is, will at least consider this option in the near future.
 
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