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Passed part III

Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
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Thanx to all group !
Test:
Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java 2 Platform Enterprise Edition Technology Part II (310-061)
Date Taken:
2003-09-15 22:48:30.670
Registration Number:
j6edus5084
Site:
rm2
Grade:
P
Score:
97
Comment:
This report shows the total points that could have been awarded in each section and the actual amount of points you were awarded. This information is provided in order to give you feedback on your relative strengths on a section basis. The maximum number of points you could have received is 100, minimum to pass is 70. Class Diagram (44 maximum) .......................... 43 Component Diagram (44 maximum) ...................... 43 Sequence/Colloboration Diagrams (12 maximum) ........ 11
Torsten Schippel
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Joined: May 09, 2003
Posts: 62
Congratulations!
When did you take Part III?
Thanks...
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
on 25.Aug
Billy Tsai
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did u check ur exam status from ur candidate history on the prometric's website after u took ur part3 essay exam and what did it display?
Pradeep bhatt
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did u check ur exam status from ur candidate history on the prometric's website after u took ur part3 essay exam and what did it display?

Nothing in my case.


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dbala subramaniam
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Joined: Jul 20, 2003
Posts: 73
Mr.Pahmir
Could you tell us what are the questions in the Part III about your Assignment
How long is the time taken
how many questions
I already submitted Part II waiting for my results
I have submitted Aug 11th so far no result
with regards
bala
Andrew Monkhouse
author and jackaroo
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Joined: Mar 28, 2003
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Hi Bala,
Unfortunately Pamir cannot tell us the questions on the exam, as this would violate Sun's copyright and the agreement with Sun that we each have to agree with. It is also against the JavaRanch policy on real questions.
Are you aware that Sun will not start to mark your assignment until after you have completed the part III exam?
Regards, Andrew


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Roger Zacharias
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Joined: Jul 01, 2003
Posts: 49
Hi Pamir,
concratz! Go and party!
Concerning your class-diagram (I think this is the crux in most assignments and you have negotiated it):
- Did you show attributes and ops in the class diagram?
- How many classes do you have?
- Have you changed the BDM?
- Have you consolidated some BDM classes?
Best regards
Roger


SCEA
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
did u check ur exam status from ur candidate history on the prometric's website after u took ur part3 essay exam and what did it display?

Only the part I was checked
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by dbala subramaniam:
Mr.Pahmir
Could you tell us what are the questions in the Part III about your Assignment
How long is the time taken
how many questions
I already submitted Part II waiting for my results
I have submitted Aug 11th so far no result
with regards
bala

There are only 4 questions about how you make the decisions in your design. The questions are really simple if you make the design. The questions are not really made secial for you based on the design you have been submited.
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by Roger Zacharias:
Hi Pamir,
concratz! Go and party!
Concerning your class-diagram (I think this is the crux in most assignments and you have negotiated it):
- Did you show attributes and ops in the class diagram?
- How many classes do you have?
- Have you changed the BDM?
- Have you consolidated some BDM classes?
Best regards
Roger

1. only for a single class representing an object which must be aged .. )
2. aprox 20
3. Yes cardinality in one place and I introduced some classes between others
3. no, I have deconsolidated some
[ September 19, 2003: Message edited by: Pamir Bahret ]
Roger Zacharias
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Posts: 49
Concerning your class-diagram (I think this is the crux in most assignments and you have negotiated it):
- Did you show attributes and ops in the class diagram?
- How many classes do you have?
- Have you changed the BDM?
- Have you consolidated some BDM classes?
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1. only for a single class representing an object which must be aged .. )
2. aprox 20
3. Yes cardinality in one place and I introduced some classes between others
3. no, I have deconsolidated some
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1. Sorry - what means �aged�?
2. Did you show EJBs in the class diagram or is it J2EE-independend?
3. Let me suggest: You changed the cardinality of "where the person is placed on his journey" from n to 1 ? :-) How did you justify that?
Roger
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by Roger Zacharias:
Concerning your class-diagram (I think this is the crux in most assignments and you have negotiated it):
- Did you show attributes and ops in the class diagram?
- How many classes do you have?
- Have you changed the BDM?
- Have you consolidated some BDM classes?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. only for a single class representing an object which must be aged .. )
2. aprox 20
3. Yes cardinality in one place and I introduced some classes between others
3. no, I have deconsolidated some
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Sorry - what means �aged�?
2. Did you show EJBs in the class diagram or is it J2EE-independend?
3. Let me suggest: You changed the cardinality of "where the person is placed on his journey" from n to 1 ? :-) How did you justify that?
Roger

1. I cant explain because reveal my assumptions. sorry
2. no, is j2ee independent
3. nope, in some other place
Ajith Kallambella
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Joined: Mar 17, 2000
Posts: 5782
Woohoo...Congratulations Pamir


Open Group Certified Distinguished IT Architect. Open Group Certified Master IT Architect. Sun Certified Architect (SCEA).
Raj Raj
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Joined: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 9
Congratulations Pamir...
Have got few quetions........
1) What level of details are need in the class diagram. Is it necessary to show all the attributes/operation for the class.
2) Do the class diagram needs to be J2EE dependent (means show the EntityEJBs,SessionEJBs,etc). If it is J2EE independent then do we need to show the command classes as simple classes and make that SessionEntityEJBs in the component Diagram.
3) JSPs can be a different component but how about the application client. Can the application client be shown as a component or need to create a Class Diagrams for that too.
4) Do we need to create the package diagram
5) In sequence diagram for each different type of client do we need to show the different sequence diagram or can be represented as a "Client".
6) Can class diagram and component diagrams can be broken into multiple diagrams or needs to be shown as single diagram.

Answer to above questions are truely appreciated. Do not need the specifics but any suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks in advance for the help

Raj
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by sh yh:
Congratulations.
A question for you:
In your sequence diagrams, assume the User Actor is the one who starts the message calls?
Did you first send a message from the User Actor to a Controller or to a (JSP) Page?
I find out that if I choose to send the message to a page first, then the active status of that page will be messed up later (the page will be active even when it shouldn't).
TIA

For the sequence diagrams my approach was:
- one generic for the mvc web interactions (The Browser initiate the message which is sent to a filter / controller)
- one generic for the swing client interactions with a BD sending the message
- one for each usecase on bussiness tier with a generic client initiating the message
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by Raj Raj:
Congratulations Pamir...
Have got few quetions........
1) What level of details are need in the class diagram. Is it necessary to show all the attributes/operation for the class.
2) Do the class diagram needs to be J2EE dependent (means show the EntityEJBs,SessionEJBs,etc). If it is J2EE independent then do we need to show the command classes as simple classes and make that SessionEntityEJBs in the component Diagram.
3) JSPs can be a different component but how about the application client. Can the application client be shown as a component or need to create a Class Diagrams for that too.
4) Do we need to create the package diagram
5) In sequence diagram for each different type of client do we need to show the different sequence diagram or can be represented as a "Client".
6) Can class diagram and component diagrams can be broken into multiple diagrams or needs to be shown as single diagram.

Answer to above questions are truely appreciated. Do not need the specifics but any suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks in advance for the help

Raj

1.No. Show them only where is necessary to communicate something. I only show in one class and only attributes
2.I made the class diagram J2EE semi-independent like Cade book. I show only facades as J2EE stereotypes
3.Client application is a component for me which use BD to communicate with business layer using a business controller
4.If you only want to make more clear the design. I made the PD
5.see the last post
6.You can break them but my opinion is that: If you put all the class / components in the same diagram and the diagram is not so huge and hard to understand then is better to have only one.
Raj Raj
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Joined: Sep 28, 2003
Posts: 9
Thanxs for your response, was really helpful...
Have more question --
1) Have you shown VOs or objects that are used in messaging passing parameters, etc in class diagrams..
2) Also wanted to know whether you have shown VOs etc in the component diagram. Do we need to show the objects passing between the component etc in the component Diagram and sequence diagram
Thanks for the help
Raj
Pamir Bahret
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Posts: 21
Originally posted by sh yh:

Thank you for your answers.
One more question:
Did you use the design pattern "View Helper" and/or "Dispatcher View" in any of your diagrams?
TIA

View Helper but I don�t insist too much on this. Only in web mvc interaction diagram and component diagram
Pamir Bahret
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Joined: Jul 17, 2003
Posts: 21
Originally posted by Raj Raj:
Thanxs for your response, was really helpful...
Have more question --
1) Have you shown VOs or objects that are used in messaging passing parameters, etc in class diagrams..
2) Also wanted to know whether you have shown VOs etc in the component diagram. Do we need to show the objects passing between the component etc in the component Diagram and sequence diagram
Thanks for the help
Raj

1) No. It is a architecture diagram not a design diagram. I didn�t show methods in class diagram.
2) I didn�t show parameters in interaction diagram. VO�s are not components. Components from my point of view are classes which implement a common interface and could be interchanged at deployment
Tilak Mitra
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Joined: Sep 29, 2003
Posts: 8
Hi Pamir,
I have a question for you.
You usually have these kind of classes/components in the solution
JSP,Screens,Servlets,Transfer/Value Objects,EJBs,DAO's and Business Delegates.
Out of these ,which are the ones you put in the class diagram and which are the ones you put in the component model ?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Anne Daniel
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Joined: Aug 18, 2003
Posts: 2
Originally posted by Tilak Mitra:
Hi Pamir,
I have a question for you.
You usually have these kind of classes/components in the solution
JSP,Screens,Servlets,Transfer/Value Objects,EJBs,DAO's and Business Delegates.
Out of these ,which are the ones you put in the class diagram and which are the ones you put in the component model ?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Hi !
- JSP, Servlets, EJB's and BD are components. DAO is a special kind of component (all these apear in component diagrams).
- DTO / VO are POJO and appear in class diagrams, but for the scea assignment you must make a class diagram for the business model from the point of view of an architect => DTO / VO not appear in class diagam (my opinion)
 
It is sorta covered in the JavaRanch Style Guide.
 
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