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General startup infos- length, complexity

Dora Gal
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Joined: Jan 03, 2004
Posts: 15
Hi all,
the reason why I created a new topic, is to gather the general information about the preparing for the SCEA exam for the newcomers, as myself
I would encourage you to modify/extend this message so that someone who needs only the summary of this topic does not need to browse through each mail.

  • how much time it is needed to get prepared for each part

  • a.) I heard of one person with those skills (plus knowledge of the airline industry) who completed the assignment in two weeks. Most people take considerably longer.
    - UML, requirement analysis, design patterns should be learnt first (Andrew Monkhouse)
  • how complex the second part of the exam is

  • a.) put your brief opinion here including your name
  • what are the books that are really helpful for the exam

  • a.) Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for J2EE Technology Study Guide by Mark Cade, Simon Roberts
    b.) Mastering Enterprise Beans" by Ed Roman
    c.) Enterprise Java Beans by Richard Monson - 4th edition, last 4 chapters outstanding
    1st Edition - EJB 1.0
    2nd Edition - EJB 1.1 & 1.0 <--- Out of print
    3rd Edition - EJB 2.0 <--- Currently at the bookstores
    4th Edition - EJB 2.0 & 2.1 <--- Beta at theserverside. Download!
    d.) Design Patterns by Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson, John Vlissides
    e.) you can write your recommendation here
  • where can we find free and commercial tests

  • a.) Javaranch mails: Does it worth buying Whizlabs Mocks?b.) you might put a link here
  • UML tools

  • a.) Javaranch Mails about argouml b.) EclipseUML

    Before submitting this topic I have already contacted Andrew and some others in a private way, and he advised to share our conversation with the other forum members.
    Sorry if this new topic overlaps some questions from other topics.
    Best wishes,
    Dora
    Hi Andrew,
    Could you please tell me how complicated the second part of the scea is and how much time do people usually spend on it?
    Thanks a lot in advance,
    Dora
    Hi Dora,
    This question should reallt be raised in the forum - that is what the forum is there for. Plus you will get several people's opinion - not just mine.
    If you are already an architect - that is, you currently take users basic requirement concepts and develop technical requirements and build UML diagrams for the proposed solutions - then you will find this assignment very easy. I heard of one person with those skills (plus knowledge of the airline industry) who completed the assignment in two weeks.
    Most people take considerably longer. I would hazard a guess that someone who is only just starting their career as an architect, and who doesnt know the airline industry could probably complete the assignment in two months full time.
    If you also have to learn how to create UML diagrams and how to go from one diagram to another, and how to translate vague user requirements into UML diagrams, then it could take longer.
    Regards, Andrew

    [ January 09, 2004: Message edited by: Dora Gal ]
    Dora Gal
    Greenhorn

    Joined: Jan 03, 2004
    Posts: 15
    Hi Andrew,
    what is the advantage of knowing the airline industy?
    (I am working for Lufthansa Systems, I am currently working on a checkin system, but I cannot understand how it would influence the exam.)
    Do you mean that the assignment contains specific terms that belongs to the airline industry? Or you just wanted to refer to the practice gained by working on a big project?
    Thanks, regards,
    d
    Andrew Monkhouse
    author and jackaroo
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    Joined: Mar 28, 2003
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    Hi Dora,
    The current assignment involves developing a solution for an airline. I have seen a few questions here where people have been trying to understand the terms used and what various parts do. Knowing the airline industry may be a help in getting past these initial questions. Alternatively it could also be a hinderance: you keep thinking of things that "real" airlines would consider essential .
    By the way - my comment was that I knew of one person who had completed the assignment in 2 weeks. But most people will take longer.
    Regards, Andrew


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    Dora Gal
    Greenhorn

    Joined: Jan 03, 2004
    Posts: 15
    Hi Andrew,
    You are right, I was not exact, I modify the summary above..
    Do you know any other books that can help with the exam? (Of course I don't want to make a list about all the J2EE books available, but the ones which are really helpful could be put into the list. E.g. Design Patterns by Eric Gamma...)
    Sorry for asking so many times for your help, but I could see that you are an active member experienced at sun certs. Your fault!
    d
    Andrew Monkhouse
    author and jackaroo
    Marshal Commander

    Joined: Mar 28, 2003
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    Hi Dora,
    Have you looked at the JavaRanch SCEA Links page? There are a number of books listed there which are helpful.
    (That page will be updated real soon now if that bartender from Australia stays away from the beach long enough - but today is supposed to be about 30 degrees, so don't expect it today )
    Regards, Andrew
    Dora Gal
    Greenhorn

    Joined: Jan 03, 2004
    Posts: 15
    Hi Andrew,
    thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. Are there similiar pages for the other exams as well?
    I think that would be really helpful if this page were advertised a little more for the members of the forum. Frequently maintainance would also be a good deal.

    (That page will be updated real soon now if that bartender from Australia stays away from the beach long enough - but today is supposed to be about 30 degrees, so don't expect it today )

    I am really worried about that bartender will get sunburnt on the beach. (Do not think that I am envy. not at all. It is -2 degrees here in Hungary.)
    d
    [ January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Dora Gal ]
    Andrew Monkhouse
    author and jackaroo
    Marshal Commander

    Joined: Mar 28, 2003
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    Hi Dora,
    thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. Are there similiar pages for the other exams as well?

    Yes. Many of the forums have their own FAQ and/or Links pages. Whenever you go into any forum, take a look at the line immediately above the column headings (above the line "Topic", "Topic Starter", "Replies", "Last Post"). If there is a FAQ or a Links page, it will be listed there.
    In the case of this forum, we have the line:

    Please post your Exam Results in the Sun Certification Results forum | SCEA Links Page


    I think that would be really helpful if this page were advertised a little more for the members of the forum.

    You mean more than having it at the top of the page that they visit when they go to the forum?
    When I update it, I will probably refer to it more often.
    When it gets updated, the update will probably be mentioned on JavaRanch Radio (our blog for announcing news). It is already listed in the JavaRanch Site Map which we will be publishing "real soon now".

    Frequently maintainance would also be a good deal.



    I am really worried about that bartender will get sunburnt on the beach. (Do not think that I am envy. not at all. It is -2 degrees here in Hungary.)

    I remember days like that when I was living in Holland - riding my bike to work through the snow. Definately a new experience for an Aussie. Now I complain about 10 degrees being too cold .
    Regards, Andrew
     
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