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mark stone
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ranch is a great place to learn and interact. But i don't think there is a forum or a specific board where one can discuss about java technology. how and where the components are being used, deployed, what applications are currently in use out there, what sort of applications would be coming in future, what are the bottlenecks, problems etc.
after all we are all learning and getting certified for what ? Our knowledge and skills would be used in a particular or a set of technologies. so we need to know more about them. True, one learns about these or becomes aware as one works on job, training etc.
But we could discuss and learn more here as well. I am sure we have many who have the industry as well as academic experience to better answer such questions.
The other reason is that one could be aware of industry trends so that one can keep one's skills and knowlegde set or rather update them.
what do others think. I would strongly urge the moderators here to consider this.
[ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: mark stone ]
Carl Trusiak
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Good discussion for JavaRanch forum. I'll move this there.
Michael Ernest
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Hi Mark -
I view JavaRanch as a predominantly educational site. My first and best reason for coming here is to learn and share what I've learned. And there are a ton of ways to do that here.
I suspect that once you feel grounded on your own pursuits, you'll see that lots of people come here doing exactly what you describe. Their "problems" or questions regularly describe Java as it's being used, or rather how to use it in a certain way. Placing those questions in context -- where Java is being used, why Java is being used, what's hoped for by using Java -- are much broader questions. They have less to do with "how Java is making it happen" than "why Java is a tool of choice."
Java is just a language; there's no satisfactory way to express how important that is. There is nothing new about what's possible in computing now that Java is here -- new techniques, yeah. New ways of writing the code, sure. But original concepts in programming? Not so much.
Possibly what you're not getting is the imagination or vision that drives the use of this language. I don't think of it as a constraint on this site, but rather a general problem with all high-tech chatter: what are we going to do with all this stuff? It's a good question, but there are sooooooooo many different answers. Java is a tool, not an end in itself.
Everyone has to start somewhere concrete, something you want to do that gives you an opportunity to use the language. In my experience, only that kind of work gives you a clear impression of how much stuff is going on, and what tiny fraction of it any one of us ever gets to sink our teeth into.
So, I hear what you're saying. But I don't think it's productive to ask "why don't you guys get into more stuff?" The better question is, what project do you want to work on, and how can we help?"


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mark stone
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Joined: Dec 18, 2001
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"where Java is being used, why Java is being used,....."
exactly, what i want to know. what sort of applications are out there in java. I am not interested in knowing the philosiphical of why java. But just plain and simple of type of applications out there that companies are deploying or are already deployed. what i mean is that one cannot device drivers and other low-level programs with java. And one can use win32 api for practically programming any application. But this is not the case with java.
So I need to get some examples of applications (at the surface level) that java as a programming language and technology is being used. The bunch of java api that sun has given can be collectively called as java technology, much more than just a programming language.
ok, to make my case short, i request people here to give me some examples of applications that they have worked on or programmed with java.
I really do not know and want to know. For me coming to java programming is new. (My previous experience is with administration of IT infrastructure).
Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
Hi Mark -
I view JavaRanch as a predominantly educational site. My first and best reason for coming here is to learn and share what I've learned. And there are a ton of ways to do that here.
I suspect that once you feel grounded on your own pursuits, you'll see that lots of people come here doing exactly what you describe. Their "problems" or questions regularly describe Java as it's being used, or rather how to use it in a certain way. Placing those questions in context -- where Java is being used, why Java is being used, what's hoped for by using Java -- are much broader questions. They have less to do with "how Java is making it happen" than "why Java is a tool of choice."
Java is just a language; there's no satisfactory way to express how important that is. There is nothing new about what's possible in computing now that Java is here -- new techniques, yeah. New ways of writing the code, sure. But original concepts in programming? Not so much.
Possibly what you're not getting is the imagination or vision that drives the use of this language. I don't think of it as a constraint on this site, but rather a general problem with all high-tech chatter: what are we going to do with all this stuff? It's a good question, but there are sooooooooo many different answers. Java is a tool, not an end in itself.
Everyone has to start somewhere concrete, something you want to do that gives you an opportunity to use the language. In my experience, only that kind of work gives you a clear impression of how much stuff is going on, and what tiny fraction of it any one of us ever gets to sink our teeth into.
So, I hear what you're saying. But I don't think it's productive to ask "why don't you guys get into more stuff?" The better question is, what project do you want to work on, and how can we help?"
 
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