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Passed Part II/III - 86%

Ali Hussain
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This report shows the total points that could have been awarded in each section and the actual amount of points you were awarded. This information is provided in order to give you feedback on your relative strengths on a section basis. The maximum number of points you could have received is 100, minimum to pass is 70.
Class Diagram (44 maximum) .......................... 39
Component Diagram (44 maximum) ...................... 35
Sequence/Colloboration Diagrams (12 maximum) ........ 12


I took part III on 4th July.

Thanks to all Ranchers

[ July 28, 2005: Message edited by: Shahid Afridi ]
[ August 12, 2005: Message edited by: Qutub Shahi ]

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tery valencia
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Originally posted by Shahid Afridi:

Bit strange marking since I was quite sure about my component diagram and expected almost 44 points there. On the other hand, I did not expect more than 7-8 points for my sequence diagram (4 very very simple diagrams). Score for my class diagram (11 technology independent classes) is almost what I expected.

[ July 28, 2005: Message edited by: Shahid Afridi ]


Congrats

I see that the class diagram you provide is not that big . taking the original BDM , extending customer, and adding some "Processors" and that s all ?
More or less i get to 10 to 15 classes too.

Is that the approach you use ?

tery
Bhupesh Arya
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congrats Shahid!!!
Ali Hussain
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I see that the class diagram you provide is not that big . taking the original BDM , extending customer, and adding some "Processors" and that s all ? More or less i get to 10 to 15 classes too.


Yes I kept it simple and suggest you do the same.
raj b
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shahid,
where did u see the results. certmanager or i7
I have not yet got the results??
Jesus Angeles
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cOnGrats!!!
David Follow
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Originally posted by tery valencia:


I see that the class diagram you provide is not that big . taking the original BDM , extending customer, and adding some "Processors" and that s all ?

tery


What do you mean with "Processors? Can you please explain?

D.


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Ali Hussain
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where did u see the results. certmanager or i7
I have not yet got the results??

Certmanager. When did you take part III? I took it on 4th July.
Marcelo Sousa Ancelmo
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Congrats, good job!



Regards,


Marcelo Sousa Ancelmo - Brazil
raj b
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I did PartIII on June 27th
tery valencia
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Originally posted by David Follow:


What do you mean with "Processors? Can you please explain?

D.


i meant "managers", or "processors" like you want... but i refered to Cade's idea which centralized related processes into objects (Session Bean)

Another thing : in your diagrams, to you explicitly mention whether an EJB has local or remote interfaces ? i think that s important to show that a bean is accessed thru a local fashion sometimes, to increase perfs

or do you put that in your final doc ?


tery
Giju George
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Good work Shahid !!!

Did you use something like Web tier/swing ->Business Delegate-> Session Facade pattern,
OR
Did you use the command pattern (like mentioned in petstore)?. If so, can you just brief a bit about it (as long as it doesn't violate the javaranch policy). I am quite fine about creating the command objects from web tier, but then the swing layer WILL also have to create the same command objects. Don't know how to proceed with this.

What about security (authentication/authorization), did u mention anything about this in the diagrams, or just defined in the documentation only ??


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abd hassan
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Congratulations Shahid. good job.
Please take some time to help us out. Are you persisting unpaid itinerary? and do you have a shopping cart like class. Also did you include the Travel Agent and its relationships in your class diagram? Also your name sounds familiar if you follow cricket games..
Raj
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Shahid

Congrats...

I am also planning to submit my project sometime this month end. Could you please guide me about ur approach for Component. How much detail u have shown in ur component Diagram ? Did u have shown all the EJB's. Same for the JSP Pages like in Cades book he has shown 3-4 JSP interacting with the Search Processor, But guide us with ur approach for this and some do's and don't
subu ananthram
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great congrats shahid.
I am still awaiting results prometric has not sent my answers to a accessor
vu lee
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Congratulation, Shahid.
You've got full score for the sequence diagram. In your sequence diagram, did you show how TO was created and then how it was persisted. Did you show both TO for an entity bean and the entity bean itself in the component diagram? I have completed my class diagram and component digram, sequence diagrams, althought worth only 12 points, consume most of my time. Could you give me an suggestion how detail a sequence diagram should be?
Ali Hussain
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Congratulation, Shahid.
You've got full score for the sequence diagram. In your sequence diagram, did you show how TO was created and then how it was persisted. Did you show both TO for an entity bean and the entity bean itself in the component diagram? I have completed my class diagram and component digram, sequence diagrams, althought worth only 12 points, consume most of my time. Could you give me an suggestion how detail a sequence diagram should be?


I kept the sequence diagrams extremely simple i.e. almost no TO's or EJB related code etc. It was almost like communication at component level and that's why I did not expect more than 6-7 points.
Ali Hussain
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Congratulations Shahid. good job.
Please take some time to help us out. Are you persisting unpaid itinerary? and do you have a shopping cart like class. Also did you include the Travel Agent and its relationships in your class diagram? Also your name sounds familiar if you follow cricket games..

No I did not persist unpaid itinerary and I had a shopping cart like class. Note shopping cart LIKE and not shopping cart class(Hint!!).
I did not include anything about the travel agent in my class diagram.

Also your name sounds familiar if you follow cricket games..

Yeah I took 3-4 weeks break from cricket after hitting India 2nd fastest century
Ali Hussain
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I am also planning to submit my project sometime this month end. Could you please guide me about ur approach for Component. How much detail u have shown in ur component Diagram ? Did u have shown all the EJB's. Same for the JSP Pages like in Cades book he has shown 3-4 JSP interacting with the Search Processor, But guide us with ur approach for this and some do's and don't

Well I did not do so well in component diagram. I wish Sun could explain why they have deducted so many points in component diagram. Anyway my component diagram was quite detailed. I had 26 components (including important jsp's and I showed all entity beans as one package).
Ali Hussain
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Did you use something like Web tier/swing ->Business Delegate-> Session Facade pattern, OR Did you use the command pattern (like mentioned in petstore)?.

My solution was more inclined towards the first option. Think about performance but not too much.


What about security (authentication/authorization), did u mention anything about this in the diagrams, or just defined in the documentation only

I did not show these things in any diagram.
Vinay Singh
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Shahid
Congrats!!
I am planning to submit assignment in next week. If you could please clarify some my doubts
1. How would SSL affect the design ?
2. Itinerary,segment and Flight , if you display them in class diagrams , does this mean they would be persistent enitities ? I could not find any logic of storing segemnt because if I store flight1,flight2 against an itinerary, it would imply that this itinerary has 2 segments
But then if you don't persist, should it appear as entity ?
3. How would you display components? I am not very sure about it! Would you first display packages and then drill inside to show classes in them ? Or you just display all the classes jsp in one page but that would clutter the things.

Thanks
Vinay


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Ali Hussain
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1. How would SSL affect the design ?
2. Itinerary,segment and Flight , if you display them in class diagrams , does this mean they would be persistent enitities ? I could not find any logic of storing segemnt because if I store flight1,flight2 against an itinerary, it would imply that this itinerary has 2 segments
But then if you don't persist, should it appear as entity ?
3. How would you display components? I am not very sure about it! Would you first display packages and then drill inside to show classes in them ? Or you just display all the classes jsp in one page but that would clutter the things.

SSL can affect your component diagram. I represented Itinerary,segment and Flight as value objects in my class diagram. I showed all jsp's in my single component diagram but showed entity beans as a single package. I guess it is equally correct to show jsp's as a single package as well.
Jose Jim�nez
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I need help ���

I need knows how a seat is booked in real world. I need know if is necessary save data's passanger by each seat, or if passanger only is associate with de resume of itinerary???

Note. Customer is different to passanger.

Thanks


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Ali Hussain
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I need knows how a seat is booked in real world. I need know if is necessary save data's passanger by each seat, or if passanger only is associate with de resume of itinerary???

All I can give you is a simple hint. I do not save itinerary until the user has selected a seat. But remember there are many other ways to solve this problem, that are equally correct.
abd hassan
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Also did you use any ejb controller classes like Cade's example? and how did you manage your session information .Is it using any stateful beans? I'm thinking in terms of having a common stateful session bean as a common controller class.

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Ali Hussain
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Also did you use any ejb controller classes like Cade's example? and how did you manage your session information .Is it using any stateful beans? I'm thinking in terms of having a common stateful session bean as a common controller class.

No I did not use stateful session beans but I know some ranchers have used them (and passed)so seem to be on the right path. Yes I did use (partly) the controller classes idea from Cade's example.
Khurram Majeed
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Shahid, which city are you from Pakistan? I am from Karachi.

Khurram
Ali Hussain
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Shahid, which city are you from Pakistan? I am from Karachi.


Dont wanna bother the whole ranch with our chit-chat. Have sent a private message to your ranch account...
leevisa asinveel
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Can any one suggest what is all about part III. I have uploaded my assigment yesterday. I am gonna take the Part 111 next week.
Ali Hussain
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Can any one suggest what is all about part III. I have uploaded my assigment yesterday. I am gonna take the Part 111 next week.

You will get four essay questions. If you have done part II yourself; you do not need to read anything for part III (piece of cake). You do not have to write long essays either. Combining my answers to all the four essay questions, I would not get more than 20-25 sentences. Dont worry about it at all.

Good luck...
[ August 12, 2005: Message edited by: Qutub Shahi ]
leevisa asinveel
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I did by myself.Thats why i stopped reading additional stuff. the fear is i got only 80% in the PART I, though i expected differently. Will Part III repeats the same kind of questioning?
Ali Hussain
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Originally posted by leevisa asinveel:
I did by myself.Thats why i stopped reading additional stuff. the fear is i got only 80% in the PART I, though i expected differently. Will Part III repeats the same kind of questioning?

Yes partly but more attached to the assignment. It should not be a problem for you at all (80% in part I is not a bad score).
 
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