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SCEA Pt 1 Exam - Poor.

Anonymous
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I took the exam yesterday and in my opinion I felt it was a poor exam. For supposedly being the "advanced" part of the Java certifications, I came out feeling I hadn't really been tested like I had in the other Sun exams I've done.

The mock exams I'd found or purchased off the net were pretty poor as well, most were just copied from SCEA books and each other. I didn't buy Whizlabs as I'd seen it mentioned a few times that their questions were already in the public domain.

I think a revamping of the whole SCEA exam is required with a change in focus of the exam to concentrate more on UML, Design Patterns (perhaps including J2EE Design Patterns) and Common Architectures. EJB's are now covered in SCBCD anyway. It would then be a natural progression to the actual assignment. What does everyone else think should and shouldn't be included in the exam?

Are there any plans to update the exam? I've seen many postings dating back a long time which say that plans are a foot.

Hopefully, the part assignment will be as interesting and useful as the SCJD assignment.
Theodore Casser
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I think it's more a question of the end-goal of the Part I examination that you have to bear in mind - it's an architecture matter, not so much a development one. Therefore, for a developer with experience (such as you seem to have) with the technologies, it's not quite so hard as one might think. Bear in mind that you do not have to have any other certifications to sit for this exam - it's independent of the SCJP and others in the Sun program.

As such, yeah, it could probably stand to be revamped, which most of us have been saying for a while, if only to bring the technologies contained within it up to the current level. However, I disagree on removing the J2EE-based technologies such as EJBs - the idea of reviewing them for SCEA is to understand where they fit in the design architecture, rather than from the implementation stage of the game.

So, to answer your one question in the last bit of your post - we have no idea what Sun Educational is doing. There have been rumors for ages, and there have been people asking since well before I took the SCEA exam (and likely will be for ages longer).

I found the assignment much more of a challenge, if that's what you're worried about.


Theodore Jonathan Casser
SCJP/SCSNI/SCBCD/SCWCD/SCDJWS/SCMAD/SCEA/MCTS/MCPD... and so many more letters than you can shake a stick at!
VamC Poondla
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Joined: Mar 20, 2004
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I agree with your views. These were my ideas along with other members opinions about the same topic.

http://www.coderanch.com/t/154045/java-Architect-SCEA/certification/SCEA-Valuable
[ December 16, 2005: Message edited by: VamC Poondla ]

Thanks,<br />Vamsi Poondla,<br />SCJP 1.2, SCEA, PMP
Vic Moaby
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Joined: Dec 05, 2005
Posts: 5
I find that people have had very different experiences when taking Part1 and Part2. Often this is due to ability but I have found that amongst the people I have worked and studied with that it is also about understanding how YOU learn best. Just because someone benefits from a certain approach doesn't mean that you necessarily will.

I nearly didn't learn this lesson quickly enough. I was using forums and books and neglecting that i learn best when using practice questions. I went off to http://www.prepae4success.co.uk and http://www.whislabs.com and got extra questions.

So, if you feel that you need to get these resources do - if you feel that you don't need to then make sure that you keep focused on doing what makes you succeed.
Vic Moaby
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Joined: Dec 05, 2005
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Should have read:
http://www.prepare4success.co.uk
Bob Stagegman
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I work for IBM and http://www.prepare4success.co.uk are the question set that they make us have to complete before they will pay for us to take the exam.
Francesco Marchioni
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Joined: Sep 22, 2003
Posts: 191
Hello,
I have found too the prepareforsuccess site link.
Unfortunately they don't show any example questions so
I cannot evaluate whether they're useful for me or not.....

anybody can post some comments about it.....or post me a few
questions ? (fmarchioni@libero.it)

Thans a lot
Francesco


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Bob Stagegman
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Joined: Dec 02, 2005
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I think that posting example questions would break their copyright.
Theodore Casser
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Well, it's not against 'copyright', but it's against the rules to post questions from the real exam - it could cause some real headaches for the site if Sun saw them.
Francesco Marchioni
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Ok I agree.
Anyway should anybody leave any comment about this questionnaire (useful/not useful) I'd be very grateful.
Thanks
Francesco
Bob Stagegman
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prepare4success aren't part of Sun, so i doubt they would care
Bob Stagegman
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WRT to my original comment - you would be breaking copyright because the reproduction or redistribution of part or all of a document in written or electronic format with permission is a breach of copyright.
 
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