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don brown (aka brownie brownie)
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This list if full of people asking questions about how to do the assignment but there is very little discussion or contribution.

It's full of (mainly Indian - for some reason) Junior programmers
who want a leg up on the assignment.

People posting solutions on here drags the list down even further.

You lot are simply devaluing the certification.
Wei-ju Wu
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Joined: Feb 16, 2005
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Hi brownie,

you might want to have a look on the
Naming policy and change your displayed name accordingly.

I agree that the previous post is somewhat inappropriate, but perhaps the author did not mean any harm. This forum has moderators for a good reason, (one of which is - surprise - indian).

I am not indian, but I guess people have the hope that a certification could mean an advantage for their career development.

I guess that's why many people take this exam, whether from India, USA or elsewhere.

I have not the feeling that only Juniors are posting, in fact, I have found some good inspiration here.

Originally posted by brownie brownie:
This list if full of people asking questions about how to do the assignment but there is very little discussion or contribution.

It's full of (mainly Indian - for some reason) Junior programmers
who want a leg up on the assignment.

People posting solutions on here drags the list down even further.

You lot are simply devaluing the certification.


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Wei-ju Wu
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Congratulations to passing the exam, Paul !
Thomas Taeger
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Originally posted by brownie brownie:
This list if full of people asking questions about how to do the assignment but there is very little discussion or contribution.

I agree.

There has been a guy announcing after his exam that he will help others for 6 weeks. Good idea, isn't it?

Thomas


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Vagner Freitas
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I partially agree with Mr. Brownie, because I don't think the issue is about Indians.
But I am really missing people like Parag Doshi, Dhiren Joshi and our moderator Ajith Kallambella. They were very good contributors.
Nowadays only we see are postings about the size of image of diagrams and other things not much interesting.
Well, at least Thomas Taeger came to increase the quality.

Vagner


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Peer Reynders
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If you feel strongly about it, you can always give this thread a bump:
Part 2: No Disclosure - Pretest (Assignment) Agreement

While you're at it you might as well reference this thread:
IMPORTANT - Position on real assignment (Part 2) questions (it's closed, so only a moderator can bump it).

Understandably Ajith dislikes playing Police, so some consistent, persistent, friendly peer pressure (pardon the pun) may help every now and then � there are always some hard cases.

Frankly, I would expect anybody who is seriously pursuing the SCEA to be also active in the OO, Patterns, UML and Refactoring and maybe even the Process: UP, RUP, XP, etc. forum rather than having SCEA tunnel vision.

When others do a foolish thing, you should tell them it is a foolish thing. They can still continue to do it, but at least the truth is where it needs to be.

[ May 04, 2006: Message edited by: Peer Reynders ]
Sreenivasa Majji
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True. I used to contribute whenever I can, however now a days I am seeing more and more silly questions like, my sequence diagram running more than 2 pages, do I need to show Remote/home interface in sequence diagram or can I use this pattern in this scenario.

I think this is kind of disappointing trend. People who thinks UML is just bunch of diagrams and can master in couple of days and passing SCEA gives an advantage will get harsh reality when they faced with real projects and real experienced people. But we cannot stop them other than stop replying to those basic questions.


Sreenivasa Majji
Thomas Taeger
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Hello all,
People have problems with the (few good) UML books and the "new" UML-2. That does not mean:
Originally posted by Sreenivasa Majji:
People who think UML is just bunch of diagrams ...


Originally posted by Sreenivasa Majji:
People ... will get harsh reality when they faced with real projects and real experienced people.

To this I totally agree. But to be fair: Especially "old fellows" often tell newbies not to think in real but only in simple exam terms.

Originally posted by Sreenivasa Majji:
But we cannot stop them other than stop replying to those basic questions.

Right.

Another danger I see is a kind of snobism of some who
- have already passed the exam, and/or
- feel like living in a higher caste and just demand answers.
That gives a bad smell.

On our way to the door at the end of the long corridor we sometimes urgently ask for help. As soon as we have passed that door we close the door behind us?

Nobody should need to be afraid to post any question acccordung to the SCEA exam. There are no silly questions, only a silly business analyst.

But who asks questions, should also look at the questions of others and try to give them some little help:
For each question you ask give three contributers an answer.

I think Saha Kumar is one of the good examples who
- asks many questions (not silly at all) AND
- scans the old topics before posting (!) AND
- answers to questions of others.

This good style is the best guarantee to get interesting topics again, like applying J2EE patterns, ...

We are a study group.

Thomas
[ May 04, 2006: Message edited by: Thomas Taeger ]
don brown (aka brownie brownie)
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I think Sun should customise the requirements in each persons assignment by enough to prevent knowledge sharing.

Anyway. I am about to enter the job market, so i'll let you know if SCEA has any value "out there". After reading this list for a couple of months, I doubt it.

I have recently found out that there are Junior programmers in my company that have SCEA. They have plundered this list and got enough information to put together a decent project without really knowing what they are doing.
 
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