So I got a call today from a the Java Marketing veep at Sun. She started right in with profuse apologies. Sheesh, I got embarassed! Then she insisted on telling me that by no means does Sun want me to stop using the name JavaRanch. Cool! We talked for about half an hour. She took full responsibility for things getting out of hand and she said she thought we were a cool site. It was about as ultimate as the whole thing could get. And to top it off, she was a really nice person. Sometimes those executive types can seem really icky, but she didn't seem that way at all. I asked her to write an e-mail to me that I could share here, so we could all know where Sun stands. She's done that and I pasted it in below. After everything was settled, she made a humble request to take out the other thread. Normally I'm against doing that sort of thing, but I thought that since she was being so good about fixing this mess, it does seem like the right thing to do. Here is her e-mail: Hey Paul, Thanks so much for making the time to speak with me today. It's very clear that the situation with the use of the JavaRanch name and the attendant brand issues were fraught with miscommunication and got terribly out of hand. I am glad that we were able to have an open and honest discussion and to reach an agreement that I think will benefit everyone, not the least of which is the Java developer. Let me say that we want the community that has been built around JavaRanch to be able to continue to use the name on the site. To do so helps all of us promote this great technology and brand. I think we can work through the branding and trademark issues in the next couple of months such that you are able to preserve the public forum that's been built and we are managing the brand/trademark in a way that is positive and open - in the spirit of the technology itself. I will follow up with you post JavaOne to see what we can do about structuring a free licensing agreement with the site and again, thanks for being open and understanding the issues behind this delimma but most importantly working through them to get to a solution that works for everyone. Please don't hesitate to call me directly if you find you have and questions moving forward. Regard, Tracey
I am pro-deleting the thread. Reason: Some people, including me, have deleted their own posts because of some reason. The person who send the email has not that option to delete his text, because its included in the post of another person (Paul Wheaton). Posting the email was good even for Sun, because it helped them to overthink their CI-policy. What about offering Sun to delete the post only, if the guys responsible have to do some social work: Enforcing javaranch name policy in all forums for, say, 10 weeks. Axel still not against some m$.meTooProduct.C#/.net forums
Fantastic news !!! I knew your passion, commitement, loyalty and love for Java (tm) , would be accepted and appreciated by them !!! Thanks SUN for not killing the spirit of Java for us !!! [ March 23, 2002: Message edited by: Johannes de Jong ]
axel , Paul is no another person. he is owner of this site , who has born & brought this child ( javaranch ) with his blood along with all great sheriffs , bartenders & many more people. [ March 23, 2002: Message edited by: shailesh sonavadekar ]
I never had a doubt everything would be resolved amicably. Now if I could only develop this prophetic skill into a lottery-number-picking talent, I'd be golden! I'm glad you deleted the other thread.
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Originally posted by shailesh sonavadekar: axel , Paul is no another person. he is owner of this site , who has born & brought this child ( javaranch ) with his blood along with all great sheriffs , bartenders & many more people. [ March 23, 2002: Message edited by: shailesh sonavadekar ]
Shailesh I know and I really, really apreciate his work. I just wanted to say that the guy who send the email obviously has made a mistake. And he had no opportunity to correct that mistake. Maybe I expressed myself in an ambigous way, sorry. Thought it would be clear that Paul Wheaton comes direct after Tim Berner Lee and James Gosling. [ March 23, 2002: Message edited by: Axel Janssen ]
Now a good follow up to all of this would be for those who went and posted on Slashdot and other forums stating what had happened, to now state that Sun isn't this giant ogre but is instead willing to come to an agreement where everyone is happy, and that they are obviously interested in keeping the ideals of this site alive.
This is fantastic news. My thanks go out to everyone that makes this such a wonderful site (which really includes everyone here) and to Sun for allowing us to stay true to what we are . . . a friendly place for Java greenhorns.
Paul - Excellent job thus far. Let us hope that the marketing folks at Sun can continue to hold sway over the legal people. Another branch of the company which could be enlisted in the cause is the Sun Education folks. My personal guess is that a *lot* of their revenues have been directly generated by this site. Please keep us all posted regarding any changes to the status of this subject! Regards, Guy Allard
Very good news indeed! However, being slightly paranoid, I feel I should ask the question: Is it possible that they're saying "We'll finish this after JAvaOne" to avoid having the topic brought up publicly? I hope not especially when other Java User groups get to use the word Java in their name. I'll check here again before the "FireSide chat" tonight... <paranoia off>I'm glad that things are working out! I'd hate to lose this valuable resource!! Burk
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No mugs or other loot yet. Details are to be worked out in a few weeks. But we talked about several details and for now my impression is that Tracey likes the way we do things now and wants us to continue on our merry way. The vibe I got is that she's going to say "please" instead of "or else".