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Are Sathyas' notes enough?

Ransika deSilva
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Hi Everybody,
So sorry for troubling you guys asking what to study. Tell you the truth since there are no books for the SCMAD examination, I find it really difficult to get to know what is necessary for the examination.
Since what we have to read are specifications, according to my knowledge, there are lot of unneccessary details for the examination in those. So I just want to know whether Sathyas' note content+Terrys' note content are enough for the examination. I am comparing the content of around 1000 pgs (Specifications) Vs the content of around 100 pgs(notes).
Could you please give your comments on this, cause I badly need to do the examination very soon and need a good note set. Thanks a lot for your time.


SCJP 1.4, SCMAD 1.0<br />SCWCD, SCBCD (in progress)
Nicholas Cheung
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As an alternative, you might consider to read "The Complete J2ME Reference". It covers most of the exam objectives in an easy-to-read approach. When you dont understand some of the points in the specification, you might get a "layman" explanation from this book.

Nick


SCJP 1.2, OCP 9i DBA, SCWCD 1.3, SCJP 1.4 (SAI), SCJD 1.4, SCWCD 1.4 (Beta), ICED (IBM 287, IBM 484, IBM 486), SCMAD 1.0 (Beta), SCBCD 1.3, ICSD (IBM 288), ICDBA (IBM 700, IBM 701), SCDJWS, ICSD (IBM 348), OCP 10g DBA (Beta), SCJP 5.0 (Beta), SCJA 1.0 (Beta), MCP(70-270), SCBCD 5.0 (Beta), SCJP 6.0, SCEA for JEE5 (in progress)
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Necholas,
Thanks a lot for the answer, but still I would be really happy if you confirm that Sathyas' notes are enough. What I mean is, after reading the specs for 3 or 4 times and use Sathyas' notes to study for the examination? Is this ok, I just need the confirmation. Thanks a lot.
Nicholas Cheung
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It is better to wait the answer from Ko Ko, as I havent used the notes when preparing for the beta exam.

Sorry for that.

Nick
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Necholas,
Thanks a lot once again for the quick responce, I would love to hear what you did exactly to prepare for the exam till Ko ko gives his ideas too, I know you are a very good source to get an idea to do an exam, Thanks
Nicholas Cheung
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As said, I used the specs. together with the book "J2ME: The Complete Reference". I first read the book once to get the idea of J2ME, based on the exam objectives, I read the specs. When I came across any problems, I refer to the book.

Nick
Ransika deSilva
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Thanks Necholas,
I understand, I think I should come up with my own pattern of studying for this I guess, any way thanks a lot for your comments..
Nicholas Cheung
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That's true.

Some people prefer reading specifications, while other dont. Anyway, the way that can make a person passing the exam is a good method.

By the way, when will your exam be?

Nick
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Necholas,
Well I want to do the exam very soon, so planning to do it before the end of May. I have covered CLDC and JTWI. But there is plenty of more to becovered. Reading specification takes so much of time. So thats why I asked whether reading Sathyas' notes is enough. Thanks
Nicholas Cheung
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Anyway, good luck for your exam.

Nick
Nicholas Cheung
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By the way, if you take SCMAD in May, will you miss SCJA beta?

Nick
[ April 15, 2005: Message edited by: Nicholas Cheung ]
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Necholas,
Thanks a lot for your concern, well I was not aware about the SCJA. My main objective is to become an architecht majoring the J2EE and J2ME technologies. So do you think it's worth doing SCJA instead of SCEA? Any way I think I will only be able to do the examination on May. Thanks a lot..
Ko Ko Naing
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I am pretty sure that only studying Sathya's notes is not enough for the exam. But I am not sure if you got a strong background in J2ME development.

I even found some minor errors in Sathya's notes. If you don't know in detail about a certain topic, you might believe what are written on the notes and they might lead you to a wrong way.

So, Ransika, grab a good book like "The Complete Reference" as Nick suggested or Jonathan's Wireless Java, Second Edition. But as for me, I do enjoy reading specs for this exam.

Hope this helps...


Co-author of SCMAD Exam Guide, Author of JMADPlus
SCJP1.2, CCNA, SCWCD1.4, SCBCD1.3, SCMAD1.0, SCJA1.0, SCJP6.0
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Ransika deSilva:
So do you think it's worth doing SCJA instead of SCEA?


Worthy or not is not a big issue for me, IMO. I take cert, when I want to learn a certain topic in detail. SCJA could be a chance to learn Java and OO field in general.

Preparing for that cert can refresh you to learn those little general things again, which you might oversee those thing in the real work.

Just my 2 cents...
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Ko Ko,
Thanks a lot for your nice comments, certainly I agree with what you are saying related to SCJA, for me what happened for SCJP was that I had around 2 years of practise with Java before I did the exam, and I believe it is always good to start with a certification if you want to know some knew technology.
I have some J2ME experience as well, but not sure whether it is enough. What I started to do from last week was to read Complete Reference and articles on J2ME on the web, before I read the Specification. I find it a bit difficult to understand concepts like MIDP 2.0 security directly from the specifications.
So what I thought was to read as many as articiles and Complete Reference and then study Specifications.
Once again thanks a lot for your response.
Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Ransika deSilva:
I find it a bit difficult to understand concepts like MIDP 2.0 security directly from the specifications.

I totally agree with this. I even asked some people's help out here for additional resources to study for Security topic. Alibabra provided me with a good link on Security. I downloaded that article and it helped me to understand the MIDP 2.0 Security a lot. Secutiry section in MIDP 2.0 spec is really difficult to understand. How about the COmplete Reference? Is there any chapter about the security in that book?
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Ko ko,
Well I would be really greatefull if you can provide that link for me, cause I am in the process of studying, so like to have all the necessary resources with me as soon as possible. Thanks
Ko Ko Naing
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Ransika,
Here it is!
Ransika deSilva
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Thanks a lot Koko,
BTW a small suggestion, won't it be really good if you can post the links which you used to study or got information about SCMAD stuff here. So all the people can access them too, Other wise you will have to cater them individually. Just a suggestion. Thanks a lot for the link.
Sathya Srinivasan
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Hi Ransika,

Thanks for your comments on my notes. I created the notes while preparing for the beta. So, it should be useful from the exam's viewpoints. However, as Ko Ko pointed out, there may be some minor errors (most of which have been fixed as Errata) for the very reason that I prepared them while studying for the exam.

My exam notes might also fall a bit short on security, as I was not that clear on that topic when preparing for the exam. Hopefully, Ko Ko's link should complement my notes in this regard.

That said, always have the reference as your main guide and use my notes to reinforce the concepts. I posted the notes as a 'summary' of the various topics to read for the exam, not as the only source. If you already have the WhizLabs kit (which I have co-authored ), do read the explanations of each answer. I have tried my best to extract the important aspects of the exam there.

Best Wishes.


Cheers, Sathya Srinivasan - SCJP 1.2, SCWCD 1.2, SCMAD 1.0
Co-Author of Whizlabs SCMAD Certification Exam Simulator and SCMAD Exam Guide Book
Ransika deSilva
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Hi Sathya,
Thanks a lot for the reply. Yes I understand what you are saying perfectly.
What I am doing now is that, under security, I am preparing my own study guide with the help of your notes. Adding more details which I feel is good.
Yes I bought the whizlabs SCMAD simulator, and as you have heard there are some errors, and when I contacted the support team, they said they are releasing an update with in one month, hope it will resolve the problems, Thanks a lot once again for your reply...
 
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