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Evelyn Cartagena-Meyer
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All,
Even though I have about 300 registered candidates, this does not guarantee that I will have 400 beta testers. I will only close the beta once I have 400 beta testers (actually taken the exam). This as of today seems far away! Hence I've had 15 NO SHOWS
So please sign up and take the beta! The beta does close on July 7th, so you have time to study and take the exam.
For those of you that have not received your voucher, please send me an email at register4beta@central.sun.com and I will send you a voucher. Please include your candidate id number.
Just FYI, I've sent out vouchers and I have people asking where their voucher is, for some reason you are not receiving your voucher via email, even though I have sent them out!
So please contact me if you feel you registered and have not received a voucher yet.
Or
If you are interested in taking this beta, don't forget to send me your candidate id number.
Thanks!
Evelyn


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eric mcentee
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Evelyn-
I called and registered with Prometric and they gave me a confirmation number, but they said they would email me something. I haven't heard from them yet. Is this important, or is it OK just to show up at the testing center unless I hear that the beta is closed? I signed up for 6/20/03 in Raleigh, NC.
Thanks,
Eric
Evelyn Cartagena-Meyer
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Eric,
You should be receiving something either today or tomorrow morning from Prometric. I contacted them directly
Please let me know if you get or not get something from them.
Thanks and Good Luck!
Ev
srinivas katta
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Joined: Aug 10, 2001
Posts: 9
I am interested in signing up for the beta exam if it is still open. I could not find the URL for signing up for the exam. I can be reached at hello_srini@hotmail.com ; any information will be greatly appreciated
Sonu Sharma
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Joined: Sep 18, 2002
Posts: 12
I am very interested in taking the Beta if possible. Please let me know the details. My id is Sonu_TheKool@yahoo.com. I tried searching for it and registering but was lost...
Please let me know.
Thanks,
Sonu
srinivas katta
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Joined: Aug 10, 2001
Posts: 9
Evelyn,
I just got an e-mail from Sun:
Thank you for your interest in our Beta Examination of the Sun Certified
Business Component Developer for J2EE. Unfortunately, due to high demand,
there is no longer space available to receive a voucher.
I guess there are no more vouchers to give?
Srini
Al Newman
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Posts: 716
Even though I have about 300 registered candidates, this does not guarantee that I will have 400 beta testers. I will only close the beta once I have 400 beta testers (actually taken the exam). This as of today seems far away! Hence I've had 15 NO SHOWS
So please sign up and take the beta! The beta does close on July 7th, so you have time to study and take the exam.

Ellen, I think we've had a failure to communicate here. I signed up to take the exam the first day it was mentioned perhaps 8 weeks ago. I always intended to take the exam at the end of June or beginning of July.
Unfortunately the signals from Sun seemed to be that the exam slots would be used by then, so I decided that my time would be better spent preparing for an alternate paid exam and to wait for the commercial version of the SCBCD to appear this fall.
The time and materials needed to successfully sit an exam outweigh the actual exam fee. Particularly the time. I made my concerns clear on this forum and was more or less told that was tough by a Sun representative.
My reaction was to give up on the beta and switch goals. And also not to help develop future exams because Sun does not seem to realize that outside testers incurr costs as well as benefits.
I think this was a rational judgement. Perhaps many others have come to the same conclusions as I did? A lack of people appearing for the exam may indicate that Sun has failed to make the beta test an attractive enough proposition.
For me it's very simple. I will sit for and pass a certification exam during June or July. The terms offered by Sun did not seem generous enough to allow very good odds of a pass in early June. As it appeared that the exam slots would no longer be available when I would be well-enough prepared to pass, and then I would have to wait perhaps three months rather than have another go in two more weeks, which would mean significant re-preparation at that time.
Sun has been asking for committment without offering much of a committment in return. Perhaps a rethink would be fruitful?


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stara szkapa
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Maybe Sun should not be so restrictive by rejecting people without SCJP. For many people there is no advantage in taking SCJP. I myself don�t have it, therefore I decided to pursue similar EJB related test offered by IBM which does not require SCJP. Otherwise I would be happy to take SCBCD.
v giri
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Betas are offered by every vendor. But I am not sure if anybody else insisted on taking the beta immediately after the sign-up. In all fairness even for people working in EJBs there would be number of areas they would not be working on day-to-days and would prefer to study for a few weeks before appearing for exam. Betas are always harder as you cannot review at all. Moreover this is the first I have heard even for people who got vouchers cannot be certain of appearing.
I wonder if some of these things will invalidate some objectives of Beta Sun had aimed for..


-giri
stara szkapa
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I�m not surprised at all people don�t show up. SUN should have announced the length of the BETA first before distribution of vouchers. I guess many people who got vouchers got scared away when they found out it is 4HR exam. Firstly it might be difficult for working people to have 4HR to do it, secondly answering 183 questions in one sitting is quite stressful, and one has to be well rested in good physical shape to be able to do it.
Neeraja Neeraj
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Joined: May 11, 2003
Posts: 29
I cannot agree with you more!
Candidates appearing for a beta with little preparation I think defeats the purpose of the exam. Even those folks who had been working on EJB would require some time to refresh their knowledge from the exam perspective.
What's more is that even registered candidates aren't guaranteed to give the exam before the close date.
The situation is pitiable enough.
Neeraj.
[ June 11, 2003: Message edited by: Neeraja Neeraj ]
Gayan Balasooriya
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I registered for the exam and did it in a hurry without preparing well.Because I thought 400 limit
would be reached soon.I could have done the exam better if I waited.


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Dave Cronin
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I took the exam on June 6. I think the test length of 183 questions and 4 hours is too long. Although I was fairly well-prepared, I found that I could only give a limited number of my own comments to Sun and also complete the test in the time available. It would make more sense if the beta test was limited to 100 questions with a 3 hour time limit, giving time to both answer questions and make thoughtful comments on the questions.
The exam is a tough one in my opinion, so good preparation is needed to know how to answer the questions. I can understand why the number of beta testers taking the exam so far is low. I hope Sun can reconsider the number of questions used in the beta to make it a less demanding experience for future beta testers.


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Christian Ebage
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Joined: Aug 29, 2002
Posts: 47
Hi Evelyn,
Is it possible to retake the beta if 400 takers don't show up on July 7?
Thanks.
Ebage
[ June 12, 2003: Message edited by: Christian Ebage ]
Del Edwards
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Great question. I would not have taken the exam on the 6th if I had known I could take more time. Frankly, I think it is foolish to create a perception of a "race" to complete the beta. I half expected not to be able to take the exam on the first day, since the earliest available time in my area was at 11:00AM Eastern Time (US). I weighed the prospect of taking a "free" certification exam with a "reasonable" expectation to pass the exam (spending MORE time studying objectives) vs "just getting to see the exam for future reference" (take the test as soon as possible - before it closes - and prepare as best one can in a week).
A new test is always hard to study for, but I could have at least benefited from knowledge passed on (not specific questions - just "observations") from those who took the test early and felt they were prepared "enough" (if any such person(s) exist ). (ex: study the specifics of "roles" (not just high level definition) as they pertain to security, deployment, resource configuration, blah, blah ).


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eric mcentee
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Looking at the last few posts, I have to agree. What value does the data collected from the Beta have when half the takers had little or no time to prepare. I find it interesting that the results for this exam will determine the final questions. It would seem that if you received a voucher, you should be gauranteed a slot. Then you could prepare over the course of a couple weeks.
I signed up for my test next Friday at noon, but I've got to tell you, if I don't feel I am making good progress on the spec. by Monday, I am probably going to cancel it and just wait until the commercial exam is avaiable.
I don't want to rush myself, and furthermore I don't want to provide bad data to the test authors because I wasn't as prepared as I'd like.
Personally, I don't think I want to be involved in a beta process again unless it changes a bit. Just my opinion.
Anonymous
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I sent my voucher number, prometric id, date of the exam and the center authorized where do I want to do the exam, for the Prometric Latin America by email. to today did not I receive the confirmation of the day from the test. is very difficult mark the test, mainly for candidates of others countries as I, that am of Brazil.
Ritu Chawla
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Joined: Jun 02, 2003
Posts: 14
Hi Evelyn, I am seriously interested in sitting for the beta exam. In the first week of announcement of the SCBCD Beta exam itself I had registered, but I never got my voucher then. I sent a mail requesting for a voucher(I have made a CC to you too), but this is the reply that I got :
Thank you for your interest in our Beta Examination of the Sun Certified
Business Component Developer for J2EE. Unfortunately, due to high demand,
there is no longer space available to receive a voucher.
We look forward to your participation in this certification program in the
future and welcome your questions.
Sincerely,
Beta Certification Team
Sun Educational Services
register4beta@central.sun.com

--- So does this mean that there are no more vouchers available to take up the exam?
Ajay Hatkar
Greenhorn

Joined: Mar 31, 2002
Posts: 14
Hi,
I registered on 5/21. I have not received any confirmation reply.
I have given up hopes to get voucher.
Ajay
mario jones
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Joined: Jun 14, 2001
Posts: 7
Evelyn,
What is SunEd's official response to the very valid responses posted on this thread?
I feel exactly the same way. The rat race created by the valliant 400 may be counter productive to Sun's intentions of gathering prepared candidates with a "reasonable" shot at passing the exam.
Or perhaps this was Sun's expectation from the start. That would be fine too but those expectations could have been managed a bit better.
183 questions and half of my Saturday later, I feel that without much of the "race" and another week or so to prepare, I would have done much better and wouldn't have felt as if I wasted so much time.
All in all I think that exam was very fair irrespective of its depth and breadth. READ the spec!!! Cover to cover and back the other way!!! So they should be able to gather plenty of statistics from the respondents regardless of our distress. (Give us a break for at least finishing the race. Cheese anyone??? )


-Mario
Evelyn Cartagena-Meyer
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All,
This was not my intention to be a rat race. I stated clearly on the website that the beta runs from June 6 - July 7th, a whole month!
This is an opportunity for Programmers to get excited and motivated to take a free certification on Enterprise Java Beans and receive a certificate.
I received more than 1000 emails from people that are interested in taking the beta. I sent vouchers on a first come first serve basis. I'm still sending out responses to emails.
The objectives were posted on this site too, so you can see them and discuss them while I was sending out vouchers.
Oddly enough some people for some reason did not receive their vouchers because either the email bounced, it was a hotmail account and it was deleted maybe because it was junk mail or some of you did not provide the information requested and I had to send you another email requesting it and never heard from you.
The exam still runs until July 7th.
This is not a rat race! I stated clearly that when I reach 400 I will send out an email to all who have vouchers stating that I have reached that number, so you would not have to go to a Prometric center and be turned down.
If you have any questions or still want to participate, please send me an email directly at register4beta@central.sun.com with your full name, email and candidate id number and I will send you a voucher.
Thank you for participating!
Evelyn
eric mcentee
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Evelyn-
Is the 400 number set in stone? I'm just curious if you sent out 600 vouchers or so, and you are seeing a certain number of no shows, if it can be expanded. I don't know what level of effort is required to score 400 exams, but I imagine this is the issue.
While I am very grateful for the opportunity to try this, I think I speak for some others that feel in order to make sure we don't miss the 400 test window, we are not preparing the best we could. If we knew that we had until July 7th because we had recevied a voucher, I think a lot of us would have scheduled the test for a little later, so we could be better prepared for a chance at passing, but also to provide more meaningful data. The more prepared an individual is, it would seem that the legitamacy of the questions is better tested. If the first 200 rushed to beat the deadline, and did poorly, the evaulation of the question pool is flawed.
All that being said, I want to acknowledge what a tough position you must be in. We are all aware of what we got ourselves into, and ultimately are responsible for our own decisions. To some extent I think a lot of the candidates are looking at this as a free certification and not an opportunity to help shape the exam and define the standards for what a SCBCD is. I for one know I want to do this, but I don't want to cheat myself or waste your time by giving bad results. I'm going to make my decision Monday on if I should continue or not. If I don't feel I can put forth a reasonable and fair effort, I am going to postpone until the live test and just participate in this forum.
Thanks,
Eric
Sri Addanki
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Originally posted by Evelyn Cartagena:
..........
If you have any questions or still want to participate, please send me an email directly at register4beta@central.sun.com with your full name, email and candidate id number and I will send you a voucher.
Thank you for participating!
Evelyn

Hi Evelyn,
I did send a mail to the above id and got a reply as follows:

Thank you for your interest in our Beta Examination of the Sun Certified
Business Component Developer for J2EE. Unfortunately, due to high demand,
there is no longer space available to receive a voucher.
We look forward to your participation in this certification program in the
future and welcome your questions.
Sincerely,
Beta Certification Team
Sun Educational Services
register4beta@central.sun.com

dnanirs payhsak
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After the automated reply from sun , you will be contacted by evelyn for the voucher. I think they set up the automated response to the email to reply that all vouchers are gone. Wonder why they did that .


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Sivasundaram Umapathy
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Samething happened for me.I got an automated reply and Evelyn later sent me the voucher.


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Gustavo Torreti
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Quoting Erick:
While I am very grateful for the opportunity to try this, I think I speak for some others that feel in order to make sure we don't miss the 400 test window, we are not preparing the best we could.

In fact, Erick, that was possibly what some had done. I also took the exam as fast as I could just to make sure the opportunity window of the beta would not be missed.
If we knew that we had until July 7th because we had recevied a voucher, I think a lot of us would have scheduled the test for a little later, so we could be better prepared for a chance at passing, but also to provide more meaningful data.

It seems quite not possible to get an uniform pool of people taking the exam. We do have different levels of knowledge and backgrund experience that will naturally lead us to different results.
It is quite natural to think that people with different backgrounds will take the real test, and so even our rush could be well used, specially if the result marks could be retrieved along with the date the exam was taken. Good and bad marks will be there every day (or so I'd expect).
It is also a matter of how the results will be 'read' - though I'm curious on that, it is not up to us.
The more prepared an individual is, it would seem that the legitamacy of the questions is better tested. If the first 200 rushed to beat the deadline, and did poorly, the evaulation of the question pool is flawed.

This is a part of it that I must disagree. I strongly believe that, if given more time - actually, if the 400 race wouldn't be a problem -, I would certainly take the exam in the first days of July.
However, everyone that taken the test had focused on actually passing it, and so we would have to be just as prepared as possible. So many people in the ranch already knows a LOT concerning ejb2, and was naturally ready as soon as the race started.
That way, I consider that the fastest racers also took the exam only when considering that they had enough knowledge to get a good result, based on his/her's top 'conditon' at the scheduled date.
Even though we have this 400 situation, the exam is also based on the personal choice of when to take it.
That is basically my opinion on why the "evaulation of the question pool" is still not flawed.
All that being said, I want to acknowledge what a tough position you must be in.

As you noticed, she (and the other crew related to the exam) is the responsible of facing both us (candidates) and SunEd.
We are all aware of what we got ourselves into, and ultimately are responsible for our own decisions.

Couldn't say that better
To some extent I think a lot of the candidates are looking at this as a free certification and not an opportunity to help shape the exam and define the standards for what a SCBCD is.

In a way of thinking, even those aiming at a 'free cert' gotta be good enough, so they're still helping...
Shaping the exam is a unique opportunity, but not everyone is aware of the 'big picture' concerning the beta.
I for one know I want to do this, but I don't want to cheat myself or waste your time by giving bad results. I'm going to make my decision Monday on if I should continue or not.
If I don't feel I can put forth a reasonable and fair effort, I am going to postpone until the live test and just participate in this forum.

That's a quite tough decision, and I wish you the best luck on that, boy.
The knowledge, and you can be sure of that, will always be here. And I'm sure you're welcome at the ranch.
Take your time to think about it. Perhaps schedule your exam to the last days...
Life is always full of decisions, both big and small. Make sure you get best possible solution to this, and you'll not regret it.
Good luck to you again, and to all others taking the beta.


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I am surprised that not many people have taken up the beta. I was expecting a tough race for the first 400 takers and surprsingly there is a
"Please sign up for BETA!!! " and this is certainly not good.

I was among the first persons to take up the exam. May be I should have taken it a little bit later so that I could give a better performance.
Any way I am eagerly waiting for the result ! Hope to pass atleast if not get a great score.

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I think i was justified in taking the exam on 6th. I don't regret that i couldn't delay the exam by a few days because it was a fair guess at that moment that it may happen that the first 400 guys will take the exam within a few days. I had put some extra effort after office hours to prepare for the exam to take exam as early as possible.


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Sri Addanki
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Originally posted by Sivasundaram Umapathy:
Samething happened for me.I got an automated reply and Evelyn later sent me the voucher.

Yes, same here.
Thanks Evelyn, for sending the voucher. Finally i got it too...
Thank you guys.
eric mcentee
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Gustavo-
Thanks for your reply to my post. I know at least 2 people that rushed to take the test just because it was free. Tragically, they made comments afterward that they did it because it was free, and they felt no obligation to study for it. For them it was a sneak peek at a real version of the test. One in fact made the comments that he knew so little that he didn't feel he could give meaningful comments during the test, so he didn't bother.
This is what upsets me. Not only did they not put forth their best effort, but they took up test slots for those of us that really care about this.
I going on 3 years of EJB experience with varying versions of Weblogic. Even with all of that behind me, I'm not sure I know enough of the small details to satisfy me an the effort I'll put forth. We'll see how the weekend goes!
Mike Youngstrom
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Joined: Apr 17, 2002
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I just attempted to register and the Prometric lady didn't accept my Voucher #. If you're our ther Evelyn please help me. I sent you an email but haven't heard back. I don't want to miss my chance to take this test.
Regards,
Mike
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I think the general fear was that even though the test runs until July, you may lose out if 400 people take the test by June 15th. That is why some people raced to take the test. Others may have not felt like "racing" to take the test and so didn't bother with the test at all. In my case I had no desire to sit for a 4 hour test. I am sure many others felt that they could find something much more interesting to do for 4 hours.


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Evelyn Cartagena-Meyer
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Mike,
I have Prometric working on it
Thanks.
Ev
Pradeep bhatt
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Evelyn,
I like your quick response.
Good Luck
Pradeep
Al Newman
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Eric wrote:
Tragically, they made comments afterward that they did it because it was free, and they felt no obligation to study for it. For them it was a sneak peek at a real version of the test. One in fact made the comments that he knew so little that he didn't feel he could give meaningful comments during the test, so he didn't bother.
This is what upsets me. Not only did they not put forth their best effort, but they took up test slots for those of us that really care about this.

Precisely right. It upset me that Sun did not seem to care whether the beta testers had made any committment to doing the test seriously. I think that the test-developers may have some illusions about what a professional EJB developer knows or does not know. They act as though they believe that little or no preparation would be necessary for experienced people. Judging from my experiences with the SCJP and SCWCD exams this is simply not so.
Indeed, the preparation for the SCBCD should be more rigorous, not less than that for the SCWCD, because all servlet/JSP containers are substantially much more similar than EJB containers are.
Tom Paul wrote:
I think the general fear was that even though the test runs until July, you may lose out if 400 people take the test by June 15th. That is why some people raced to take the test. Others may have not felt like "racing" to take the test and so didn't bother with the test at all. In my case I had no desire to sit for a 4 hour test. I am sure many others felt that they could find something much more interesting to do for 4 hours.

Another good comment. I have enough respect for the test that I would not sit for it insufficiently prepared. Given that Sun's policy seemed to be to force the testers into a race for the places I decided not to race and instead to prepare for the Weblogic 7 exam.
Sun gave us many surprises. They offered a free slot to those of us who filled out the survey. That seemed fair enough so I completed the survey. Later, Sun thought twice and decided to make it a race instead. Then they told us it would take four hours and consist of 160 questions. Wrong again it would be 183 questions.
Having jerked us around fast and furiously, now they find they lack enough takers for their purposes. Very sad. Had they dealt with us more honestly I think they would have had no problems getting enough takers.
Perhaps they should more fully disclose the conditions beforehand next time?
guyvincent
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Joined: Sep 21, 2002
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Bonjour from France,
thanks to Evelyn & sun team for the voucher.
I just would like to say i'm not in terror with the fact that only the first 400 exams taken are free. I've planified mine for the end of the month. I'm not a specialist, and have to work )
I mean : this certification is great because it is closely related with architect and/or actual project managers pr�ocupations. (RMI, .NET and so forth).
If it's too late to try it free at the end of the month, well : I'll pay and try it later.
this certification seems to me great because it deals with CMT's principles which in my opinion are the future. Java based, it can also help to work in microsoft based project too.
A very good idea this certification. It makes Sun back in fundamentals against .net
Gros bisous � tous ))
Guy
Gustavo Torreti
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I think the general fear was that even though the test runs until July, you may lose out if 400 people take the test by June 15th. That is why some people raced to take the test. Others may have not felt like "racing" to take the test and so didn't bother with the test at all. In my case I had no desire to sit for a 4 hour test. I am sure many others felt that they could find something much more interesting to do for 4 hours.

I still believe on the 'bigger picture' around those questions
And I've been through other nasty situations envolving 4hs exams.
Another good comment. I have enough respect for the test that I would not sit for it insufficiently prepared.

That is part of a bigger 'internal' commitment to oneself. You may go for it totally unprepared, but it would seem just so stupid... Money is the smallest of your concerns in such a situation.
Given that Sun's policy seemed to be to force the testers into a race...

That was a pity, for sure. Don't know what (why) they did that, but life's boomerang goes far to horizon... then it comes back.
Sun gave us many surprises. They offered a free slot to those of us who filled out the survey.
...
Later, Sun thought twice and decided to make it a race instead. Then they told us it would take four hours and consist of 160 questions. Wrong again it would be 183 questions.

Imho, the problem is just the rat race. +25 questions would no be such a worry, as you are expected to have enough time to answer all of them.
Having jerked us around fast and furiously, now they find they lack enough takers for their purposes. Very sad.

'Jerked around' seems quite too intense in my opinion, but the difference between reality and what I expected for the takers was quite sad. Very sad indee.
Had they dealt with us more honestly I think they would have had no problems getting enough takers.

Honestly would again not be a word I'd use. Although it was (it is) not a perfect situation, we must also consider that Sun is made of humans, there. That way, they have their own 'unfair' problems. I suppose Sun knows that the best prepared we are for the exam, the better will be the feedback for THEIR beta. So, there is no way - imho again - that Sun would intentionally nail us on the wall.
We had some difficulties taking the exam.
So had they.
Al Newman
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Gustavo wrote:
Honestly would again not be a word I'd use. Although it was (it is) not a perfect situation, we must also consider that Sun is made of humans, there. That way, they have their own 'unfair' problems.

I'm not questioning the honesty of people like Kathy and Bert, who are contractors working for Sun. Nor of any of the Sun employees we have been interacting with on this BB.
Nor is the behavior of Sun management in this (quite) a lie. I will point out that the terms kept shifting. At first it was fill out a form and get a free test. Then it shifted to get a place in the race, which was not clearly stated up-front. The size and time length of the exam are a relatively trivial matter and would not have been a problem absent the larger issue.
I suppose Sun knows that the best prepared we are for the exam, the better will be the feedback for THEIR beta. So, there is no way - imho again - that Sun would intentionally nail us on the wall.

I'm not at all sure that the Sun management cares a curse about the quality of their feedback from the beta. I made precisely these points to Kathy 3 weeks ago (and to her credit she saw the point at once). But the response from Sun management was completely unresponsive. Basically tough. Sun can and will change the terms as it pleases.
I felt 'jerked around' about the earlier issue. I don't assert that Sun meant to jerk us around or to utter untruths, but rather that they behaved largely without regard to the interests of their beta-testers. I felt taken for a fool to be honest.....
Assuming that test slots are still available for the week of July 7th I will go in and take the beta. I'm doing up a long set of SCBCD study notes even as we post here. It will delay my sitting for the Weblogic 7 exam by a couple of weeks but should help in that preparation as well. If I blow the SCBCD beta the notes will obviously help out the second time too.
Evelyn Cartagena-Meyer
Java Cert Herder
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Joined: Apr 12, 2002
Posts: 174
All,
If you would like a voucher, please send me an email with your candidate id number, full name, and email to register4beta@central.sun.com.
Thank you.

Evelyn
Muhammad Asif
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Joined: Jul 13, 2001
Posts: 202
Hi,
I tried to register for the BETA exam, but i was told that the BETA exam is not available in our local prometric centre. The centre that i have been referred to by the prometric people is "6+ Hours" drive from my home.
I have sent them emails again and again but still could not get the exam to be registered for my self. Although they did try to help, but i think their is lot of miscommunication.
I live in Pakistan and the prometric centre that is local for me is in Islamabad, whereas i m being referred to Faisalabad.
Although i have good enough knowlege of EJBs, i have failed to register for the BETA for this reason.
I can be reached at aabbasi@lmkr.com
Regards
Asif


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