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Developing our own Exam Simulator?

Ernest Lee
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Anyone interested in developing our own exam simulators?
We can sell it for 15 bucks!!

Let me know.
alzamabar
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I could be interested, but after my exam (on Friday). We can start an open source project at sourceforge.


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Kathy Sierra
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If you open source it, I'll donate some mock exam questions.
Ernest Lee
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open source?!!
that means no $$$$...

anyone interested in developing a commercial quality one?

we can open source the "exam simulator framework" but not the content...

comments?
Paul Michael
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I agree with Ernest... It would be beneficial to "more" people if we open source the engine and charge for the content.

Anyway, you guys might be interested in this project I saw the other day from java.net:

UltraMock

* a very relative term..


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Arvindu
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Ok Ernest

We can start

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Ko Ko Naing
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Originally posted by Ernest Lee:
we can open source the "exam simulator framework" but not the content...


Why not the content? exam simulator framework is nothing... An average programmer can code it in no time...

There are many commercial exam simulators out there in the market... Why do we need one as commercial?


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alzamabar
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Originally posted by Ernest Lee:
open source?!!
that means no $$$$...

anyone interested in developing a commercial quality one?

we can open source the "exam simulator framework" but not the content...

comments?


This sounds a good idea Ernest. Obviouvsly we are not talking about a SCBCD simulator here, but a generic simulator for, ideally, any kind of exams.

All we need, is to identify the commonalities, what changes and create a framework. Ernest, are you going to open a project with SourceForge? If not, I may open it.

As regards the content, we could build the project so that it provides a functionality (through GUI) to load (or upload) a series of questions/answers provided in a specific format, so to accept contributions by, virtually, anyone.

I can see it as a J2EE application (so we could put in practice what we are studying for SCBCD and SCWCD, can't we?
Harpreet Hira
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Marco/Ernest,
Did any of you start a project at SourceForge?
Would an applet be a good idea? It can be easily run without installing any application servers on any machines. The only pre-requisite would be a JVM.
In my opinion we can loosely couple the exam simulator and the question/answers. Probably the question/answers may be stored in XML or some other text format. Whenever, we add/delete/correct the content of exam the user will just need to import a new XML/Text File.

Just putting my opinion :-)
alzamabar
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Originally posted by Harpreet Hira:
Marco/Ernest,
Did any of you start a project at SourceForge?
Would an applet be a good idea? It can be easily run without installing any application servers on any machines. The only pre-requisite would be a JVM.
In my opinion we can loosely couple the exam simulator and the question/answers. Probably the question/answers may be stored in XML or some other text format. Whenever, we add/delete/correct the content of exam the user will just need to import a new XML/Text File.

Just putting my opinion :-)


I did. Don't know about Ernest. I subscribed the UltraMock developer mailing list to know at what point they are with the project. Maybe we can just join them with their ideas. I think that because Ernest started the idea, he could come up with some ideas. I'm available to any solution. I'll keep you posted about the response from the UltraMock developers.
Ernest Lee
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sorry for the late reply.


i agree that we probably won't need j2ee features.

maybe we can use java webstart, maybe javaranch would host for us for free...

i won't have time for this until oct (sorry guys!!), feel free to start ahead, I will join u guys later.



Ernest Lee
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sorry..

if we are going to provide a web interface (or other interfaces) to interested parties to share/sell their question content... maybe we do need j2ee (or php/.net..)

let's define the XML-schema for our exam first..

wow.. this can be big...
alzamabar
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I can host it on my server, but in this case I would like to be the project manager, and my site is more a 'domestic' one than an important site like Javaranch.

Let me know what you think.
raphael Bereh
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A very good idea !
It will be good if it is open source.
I will participate if it is open source.


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Valentin Crettaz
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We can sell it for 15 bucks!!
How did you come to that price?

anyone interested in developing a commercial quality one?
Commercial... I hope you realize what it means in terms of time commitment to provide a commercial quality product on the market... With 15 bucks a copy, you'll probably break even in..., well, 10 years or something. From my own experience, I can tell that the biggest effort is not spent developing the exam simulator framework which already exists in a dozen flavours around the Net, but creating high-quality and consistent content that you will feed your simulator.

Anyway, it might be a good idea, but I'm not sure it's worth it...


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Eric Lemaitre
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Hi all !

I must halt the whole herd before wheel may be re-invented again, isn't JPilot ("http://www.geocities.com/rahmanjava/jpilotstore.html"), existing free and much valuable Java exam simulator, already available for such purpose ?

Best regards.


Eric LEMAITRE
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alzamabar
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Please refer to this post:

http://www.coderanch.com/t/159845/java-EJB-SCBCD/certification/Developing-open-source-Mock-Exam
Mujibur Rahman
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Joined: Oct 08, 2003
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Hi ALL,

Thanks Eric Lemaitre for refering my webpage (www.geocities.com/rahmanjava).

I started an opensource exam simulator project JPilotExam (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jpilotexam) few months back and it is almost ready for downloads. Past 3 months I was bussy with my onsite (USA) assignment and couldnt concentrate more on this project. Now iam back (Bangalore,INDIA) and finishing the tool quickly for downloads with mock exams.

I am also developing a website www.jpilotexam.org, which is under design stage (As it is underconstruction, few links may not work).

The mail idea behind this open source project was to provide a open source simulator and exam builder to the community to share the mock exams and questions for any area (JAVA,ORACLE,XML, ect..).

Iam started working again from this week on the project and all your ideas and wise suggesions are very much appreciated.

All are welcome to contribute in any area of this use full project for the community.


With Love
S.M.Rahman
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Mikalai Zaikin
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Hello Mujibur,

I take a look at your JPilot project it seems to be a good simulator,
int the same time I feel that guys who develop UniMock are using
*overkill* technology: who needs Web Server, EJB server on workstation to
run simulator?
End user just needs Swing application, many people don't have good/cheap
internet.

Just 2 cents...

Mikalai


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Mujibur Rahman
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Mikalai,

I kept these things in mind while starting the project. The only requirement for jpilot is JVM. It is developed in swing and doesnt require internet and any other j2ee servers. The main requirement (what i think) is it should serve a very low end user.

This can also be improved to work with a server. But in future, if required.

This is mainly intended for the people who can't buy commercial mocks.
Community is providing many mock exams (in HTML/DOC format) and questions. My idea is to convert all these mock exams in to jpilot exam docs and give for downloads.

And another thing is, JPilot Builder is a handy tool to create mock exams and questions very easily and can share accross the community.

S.M.Rahman
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jhon Reader
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Joined: Sep 06, 2004
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so what is format for sample question
meance
how they are stored exactly ,
so that all the new question can be added in that format only
it will contain 3 parts
1. question
2. options
3. correct answers

bye
alzamabar
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Originally posted by Mikalai Zaikin:
Hello Mujibur,

I take a look at your JPilot project it seems to be a good simulator,
int the same time I feel that guys who develop UniMock are using
*overkill* technology: who needs Web Server, EJB server on workstation to
run simulator?
End user just needs Swing application, many people don't have good/cheap
internet.

Just 2 cents...

Mikalai


Just for your information, the end user won't need any *overkill* technology. The UniMocker project is split in three application, because it wants to be a learning experience rather than another *exams runner*. The client part of UniMocker will be a 100% Pure Java technology solultion, entirely written with Swing. The J2EE technologies involved in the project, have been chosen to build the 'community' side of this exam, and we chose J2EE technology for few reasons:

1) We are Java passionate, and like the way J2EE works (otherwise I would see as strange your presence in this forum!)

2) We want to learn while developing this project. We are not paid, so why shouldn't we use technologies that we want to improve?

3) We think that J2EE technology will answer to our 'community' needs a lot better than other technologies, but this is, of course, our personal opinion.

Marco (UniMocker project manager)
Thomas De Vos
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I'm really interested to see the outcome of this project...

I do agree with Valentin that the mock engine wouldn't be the hardest part but it is the content, coming up with a good set of questions mapping to the certification and the objectives is the hardest part.

You will probably spend 90% time on writing questions and quality assurance and 10% on coding.


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alzamabar
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Originally posted by Thomas De Vos:
I'm really interested to see the outcome of this project...

I do agree with Valentin that the mock engine wouldn't be the hardest part but it is the content, coming up with a good set of questions mapping to the certification and the objectives is the hardest part.

You will probably spend 90% time on writing questions and quality assurance and 10% on coding.



Thomas, the fact is that we will not (unless willing to) write the exam questions. These will be written by users, who will be able to create and publish their own exams. We will build only the framework to run exams.
jhon Reader
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where are we
Gaurav Bhatnagar
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Experts

guess am late for it,but can i join the group for building this appliction,am very much interetsed in the experiences of my passing this exam.

Do let me know

gaurav
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Nileesha Bojjawar
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Hey guys,
Let me in as well. I would be interested to do some open source projects as Marco said .. we can use all that we are learning in this project. Let me know if i can join and what i need to do.

Thanks


Nileesha<br />SCJP 1.4, SCBCD, SCWCD.
Mujibur Rahman
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JPilotTest simulator (http://geocities.com/rahmanjava) is moved to sourceforge.net as JPilotExam, an open source project under GNU GPL License

SourceForge.net Project Home : http://www.soruceforge.net/projects/jpilotexam

JPilotExam website : www.jpilotexam.org


JPilotExam released the simulator "JPilotExam Simulator V1.0" with the mock exams (SCWCD and JavaRanch's SCBCD).

We sincerely invite your valuable contributions, comments, wise suggestions in making of this useful project.

S.M.Rahman
rahman@jpilotexam.org
www.jpilotexam.org
[ May 30, 2005: Message edited by: Mujibur Rahman ]
Sidhardha jd
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Very good effort. Great project.

Long back i had a look at your project, and ultra mock. But found no progress.
I just had a glance of the project. it seems to be very good and helpful to the entire community.

We need to collect the questions from the ranchers and discussions to prepare the JPilotExams to simulate.

kathy - Now time to donate the mock questions

One typo in your post. Read as

SourceForge.net Project Home : http://sourceforge.net/projects/jpilotexam

Once again for your great contribution.


-sd
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rasheed SM
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Joined: May 31, 2005
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cool one. i tried with sample questions. works fine

I read the Three steps doc and it is very easy to make the mock exam in xml for the simulator. good one

We have very good discussions here. If we make questions out of these, it will be great helpful. Now we dont have headake of making mock exam or simulator.

Now we have our own simulator....Any ideas of making our own mock exams


Rasheed
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