You might want to look at another path, here's the one I'm working towards... OCP DBA 8i, XML, SCJ2P, OCSD, OCED. If you don't recognize all of those, OCSD is Oracle Certified Solution Developer and OCED is Oracle Certified Enterprise Developer. I have cleared OCP DBA 8i, XML and SCJ2P and I've just started my reading for OCSD. I'm a DBA with a Computer Science degree and I want to be a developer and leverage my Oracle DBA strength. BC