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Passed test at 48 years 0 months

Tom Arons

Joined: Jan 04, 2002
Posts: 10
I figured if someone 12 years old could do this then maybe an older person could also. How about anyone in their 50's, 60's, or older or passed or who at least took this thing?
Actually I found what I considered to be a lot of curveballs on the test. Most of the questions were straightforward though, passed with 80. There were at least 5-6 that I did not expect and fumbled over. There were many questions on URL rewriting and I did not think this would be emphasized. Also, many code questions including at least 5-6 that had exhibits, maybe close to 15-20 code questions in all, but this is probably good since this type of question tests you better than memorization types.
Like most others I used:
1. Notes from Ken, Miftah, etc.
2. Wrote and revised code using Tomcat 4.0.
3. Used Java Servlet Programming 2nd ed. - O'Reilly and Wrox Professional JSP. These books are good references but I did not read many pages before test. Used 1st Edition of O'Reilly before when I did some stuff with servlets at an earlier time. Learning in the subject matter is always good but you do not really need books for this test other than for reference. If you are crunched for time, don't spend a lot on books. You can get most books for 40% off list from Bookpool and other places if you want them.
4. Servlet specs and API
5. JSP specs and API
6. Forum questions and discussions (thanks)
7. JWeb+ simulator and other practice tests on this site. JWhiz would be fine also.
8. Various internet sites
For many years I have been an IT trainer including training users on Java, C++, etc. My previous company died in August - the IT and training industry stinks. Maybe I will join the circus.
faiza haris
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Joined: Oct 17, 2000
Posts: 173
Congrats!!!Being a working mother, and real short of time (ALWAYS) your tips were really helpful.
I'm going through the coreservlets and jsp book and now practicing the code.
Tell me how to make a relation between all the interfaces...ahh it seems stupid question but right now i'm deep into relation building mode am tryign to relate things so they'r easy to remember...tell us what helped u most in remembering the return , parameter values...simple common sense or?!!!
how long did u take for the preparation..?
thanx for your feedback on the test!
do you think that servlet specifications are enuf for the servlet part of the test?
Chintan Rajyaguru
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Joined: Aug 19, 2001
Posts: 341
Congratulations Tom! People say it becomes hard to remember things in 40s and 50s. If that is true for you, you desrve double congratulations as this test does require candidates to memorize things.

Chintan - Coming soon!
Mark Spritzler

Joined: Feb 05, 2001
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Congrats Tom. I didn't know they still hired programmers that old.

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Madhav Lakkapragada
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Joined: Jun 03, 2000
Posts: 5040
Congrats, Tom.
You will be surprised how old (respectfully)
some of our Moderators are. I mean it. Sure
all of us know age plays a role, but
determination is key.
If you want to do it, only you can stop it.
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Fei Ng
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Joined: Aug 26, 2000
Posts: 1242
Congrats, Tom.
U r not OLD!! 48 is the best age!
Ram Dhan Yadav K
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Joined: Aug 13, 2001
Posts: 321
Congrats Tom!
Thats a real good spirit to play the game at 48. You seem to be full of energy and take challenges even now. Seems like you are proving the adage 'Life Starts at 40.' You are a good spirit for the ranchers over here to keep themselves motivated through out their lives.
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Allan Moster
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Joined: Sep 14, 2001
Posts: 153
Congratulations! Nice score too.
Steven Sega

Joined: Jan 05, 2002
Posts: 6
Congratualations Tom. I wish when I get to be your age I would have the same courage to keep learning and growing.
You are an inspiration. Keep on!
Tom Arons

Joined: Jan 04, 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks to all of you for your kind words. I certainly do not consider myself old at all but by IT standards and in the workforce in general there is a very real age factor. I am looking and doing things on a contract basis which is fine with me if I can find the work.
Faiza, you deserve a lot of credit for being a working mother and going for this cert. You will do it! Try to relate things like requests, responses, ServletContext, RequestDispatcher, etc. with methods that would make sense. For example, would it make more sense for a request or response to getHeader/setHeader? What is a ServletContext and what does it represent? How about ServletConfig? What really happens and why in a servlet and JSP lifecycle and why does this make sense? Of course there is memorization but use this rationale and try to code and/or download code from books and then try what if scenarios. What happens if I change this? Does the result come to what I expect? Why or why not? As I said, the JSP DTD and deployment descriptor questions were pretty easy, just some bizarre questions on other things to me.
I just don't think that you should waste a lot of time memorizing. Yes, know the details of DTD and DD but realize that there cannot possibly be that many questions on all the details. Again, on the test that I took, there were many conceptual items. That is why I did not think the test was ridiculously easy as some in the forum seemed to indicate. I consistently got mid 80's and 90's on the simulated tests (except for Cobian's -this was in the 60's).
Mark, your sense of humor is like mine. Evidently they don't hire programmers that old! I am proof of that.
Fei, 48 is a good age I agree. Chintan, my mind and body has not left me yet - I hope to remember things for a while. Madhav, you are correct, determination is the key. Steven, you will have courage, no problem. Thanks for your words of encouragement Ramdhan.
I do not know my next step, possibly the development exam or maybe something that is not Sun related. I am even looking at other businesses - will see what happens.
Reda Mokrane
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Joined: Jul 25, 2001
Posts: 237
Congratulations Tom!
jawwad ahmed
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Joined: Dec 01, 2001
Posts: 179
Congratulations..........Your hopes are still like a young man.
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