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For Sale Posts (was: Attention of Peter)

Paul McKenna
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Dear Peter,
I did read your post in my earlier thread entitled "SCWCD Study Kit for Sale". While your concern for the quality of discussion content is well justified, I think that many would benefit from the sale of our used Study books.
If it is not permissible to advertise the sale of a used book in the SCWCD forum, I request you to initiate a sub-forum within SCWCD where members could sell their books. Seriously.. who even looks at Blatant Advertising???
Thanks
Sriraj
[ Edited to change the topic name ]
[ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: Peter den Haan ]

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Peter den Haan
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Advertisements do in principle belong in the Blatant Advertising forum for the reason outlined in this thread. I closed the thread not mainly because it was an ad, but because of all the public expressions of interest posted in followups. That is definitely not what this forum is for, we've got private messages and e-mail for the purpose.
Before I open my big mouth with an opinion on advertising study kits, I would be interested in hearing some ranch hands' ideas, and of course Carl's (if he reads this). Does anyone else share the concern that such ads, like "I Passed" announcements, will eventually impact the signal to noise ratio too much?
I edited the topic title to attract a slightly wider audience than just yours truly.
- Peter
PS. Ads of questionable legality (which you did not post, I hasten to add) will be deleted straightaway, of course.
[ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: Peter den Haan ]
John Pritchard
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I, for one, feel one of this site's major strengths are the authors who make a point of being active on the forums. As Thomas mentioned is his previous post, I doubt they would fully supportive of a javaranch provided book/study kit resale capability. We need authors to write quality materials to support our continuing study efforts. Lets not provide a mechanism that circumvents their compensation.
my 2.38 cents (inflation adjusted)


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Paul McKenna
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Both of you are correct, but I will justify otherwise :
1. We should encourage Authors to participate more by not allowing resale of their books.
(My $0.2):
Javaranch.com would not be doing something ground breaking by allowing re-sale of study kits. Amazon.com, ebay.com and a host of other sites already do the same. I dont think I need to prove how popular the resale of study kits are on these sites. On the other hand, this would increase the traffic to Javaranch.com. Infact I have an even better idea, let Javaranch.com buy these used books and re-sell them. 5% of the resale value would go to the Author's booty. Sounds good?? This way I get the book of my hands quickly, the next person gets a cheaper book and the author benefits.. and even Javaranch.com might benefit.
2. These topics belong in Blatant Advertising
Well, I have never looked into that forum and I dont intend to. Merely the thought of invoking the search functionality on that list seems too cumbersome (I'm lazy.. I know it) Instead create a sub-forum within SCWCD where these books can be advertised. That way the original forum retains its purpose but those who visit it will have a direct link to their resources.
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Sriraj
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Perhaps some enterprising soul will create thier own site for selling used books/study kits and there could be a link to it on the resources page.
I like the idea of sending a percentage to the author -- based on what I've read about the business of writing, I suspect that 5% of the re-sale value might be as much or more than they make from the original sale.


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Paul McKenna
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Well, there are many enterprising souls who have such websites. But the problem is none of them are going to contribute even $0.01 to the Author's booty.
I propose a modification to my earlier proposal, instead of having Javaranch buy the books, if they just provide a transaction area and charge a fee it would serve the same purpose.
Sriraj
 
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