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Cleared without HFS&J

Yosi Hendarsjah
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Hi ranchers,

Is there any of you who cleared SCWCD 1.4 without using the HFS&J book? Can you tell us how you did the preparation?

TIA
[ November 29, 2004: Message edited by: Yosi Hendarsjah ]
Nick Dunn
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Yosi,

I have not yet taken the exam, but I have been preparing with HFSJ. I cannot recommend it highly enough. It's a great book and really does help you to genuinely understand the concepts.

If you're after free-of-charge resources then you could try:
http://java.boot.by/wcd-guide/index.html
http://www.javacamp.org/scwcd/index.html
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/j-dw-java-scwcd-i.html

These all provide good material for learning/revising the concepts, but do not match up to the book.

Hope this helps,
Nick
Yosi Hendarsjah
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Hi Nick,

I know how useful the HFS&J book is. But I'm sure there are people who didn't use it to pass the exam. I have the Deshmukh & Malavia book, but it's for the 1.3 version of the exam. I just want to know how to prepare for the exam without buying another book.
Mikalai Zaikin
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Originally posted by Yosi Hendarsjah:
Hi Nick,

I know how useful the HFS&J book is. But I'm sure there are people who didn't use it to pass the exam. I have the Deshmukh & Malavia book, but it's for the 1.3 version of the exam. I just want to know how to prepare for the exam without buying another book.


Hanumant's book is very good for 1.3, and it covers about 80% of new exam. So, you can use it for SCWCD 1.4 and read online material for the new topics.

regards,
MZ


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Mike Curwen
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The Manning book is scheduled to come out in January. It will be updated for the new test.
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Ture Hefner
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Joined: Nov 14, 2004
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Yosi, the HFS&J book is great. So is Hanumant's old J2EE 1.3 version of the SCWCD exam study kit. Yosi, why would you want to try to pass the test without buying a book?

How much is the test? $150? It costs a lot more than a few books.

If you are already working and your company won't buy you a few books for you to study for SCWCD then you should check out dice.com and get another job because that is not the kind of employer who cares about the development of their employees.

If you are not working and you don't have much money then consider this a wise investment. Go make $40 however you can so you can buy the book: a strong J2EE developer can make a lot of money.

Yosi, if you are just taking this test for your own satisfaction and for the sense of accomplishment that it will bring you then my statements are wrong. If I am wrong, and you are doing this for fun, then you have too much time on your hands and I would recommend growing a beard and taking up surfing or some other pursuit more meaningful than J2EE development.


Ture
Mikalai Zaikin
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Originally posted by Ture Hefner:
Yosi, why would you want to try to pass the test without buying a book?

How much is the test? $150? It costs a lot more than a few books.



Hi Ture,

I am just curious, what country are you living in?

Have you ever heard that Amazon shipping to some countries may cost more than book itself? Are you ready to pay $80..$90 for book which you will need probably once?

Do you know that is some countries plastic cards are not available for everyone?

Why indian guys always asking about indian edition of some book (hint: it has the same content, but much lower price, and can be picked up in the local store)?

So, studying without books really makes sense sometimes.

regards,
MZ
Ture Hefner
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Mikalai,
I KNEW that someone was going to rip on me for giving a US-centric answer to the question.
My US-based international company is hiring lots of J2EE developers in India and China right now and we have been for quite a while. It is like a goldrush for J2EE developers outside of the US right now. Our developers in Bangalore make a lot less than those in the US, but they make enough that $80 or $90 is not significant compared to the money they can make as a J2EE developer.
Your sarcastic response is not appreciated, Mikalai.
[ MC snipped retaliatory sarcastic comment ]
[ December 05, 2004: Message edited by: Mike Curwen ]
Ture Hefner
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Here you go, Yosi:

Rene is selling her book for $23 and she will mail it to you:

http://www.coderanch.com/t/168635/java-Web-Component-SCWCD/certification/SCWCD-Day-Result-unknown

If there is anyone out there who cannot afford a technical book or lives in a location in which it is logistically impossible to get one: I would encourage you to Google "technical book donations" or something like that. There are lots of organizations that are trying to help you.
Ture Hefner
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Yosi,

Sorry, here is the correct link to Rene's posting. She wants to sell her book cheap. If you live in Asia, the postage will be low:

http://www.coderanch.com/t/168628/java-Web-Component-SCWCD/certification/HFSJ
Marcus Green
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For me JavaRanch represents a triumph both of the generosity and spirit of friendly co-operation on the web and an excellent use of the US/Cowboy/Old West iconography in a positive way.


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Ture Hefner
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Marcus,
I KNOW that. My point is that I believe it is very important to supplement your internet-based research with as many good Java books as you can get your hands on. If you want a job working the night shift in IBM's call center then listen to Mikalai and give up. He is right, it is tough to get a Java book in a village in India.
However, if you want to strive for a better job that will change your life and the life of the generations of your family that will follow you, then rise to the challenge and do everything you can to be the best Java developer that you can.
[Combative comment removed].
I am a citizen of the world who happens to hold U.S. citizenship. One of my grandfathers emmigrated to the US by himself without knowing any English and worked hard labor in factories in Chicago to get a better life. My mother was born of an eastern european family who could not afford to keep her, probably not too far from Mikali's home in Byelorussia. She was adopted as an infant by my grandparents, an American family. I am a white boy with Asian eyes. I have travelled every continent except Africa and Antarctica. I know what is out there. [Generally, if you have to say it in all caps, your points might be too emotional to help promote discussion]
[An insinuation that other posters are Less Than Perfect]
[ December 06, 2004: Message edited by: Michael Ernest ]
Mike Curwen
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and with that, it's closed.
Michael Ernest
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Ture, some of your comments seem combative to me, a fellow American. I've edited out statements in your immediate prior post I consider less than friendly.

If this issue has become an emotional one for you, I enocurage you to wait a bit before posting. Please try to address the points at hand.

The point at which anyone poster deems it necessary to defend themselves on the basis on nationality, or creed, or race, or family history, it's a good sign that things are out of hand.

As to the rest of you in this thread: if you have information or insights that suggests another poster's points might be founded on incomplete information, fine. Post them. But resist the need to put it in anyone's face, ok? Address the points, rather than the tone, and there will be less sheriffing. Everyone seems to like that, so let's shoot for it.


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